[Rushtalk] Alert: The California 3-State Split is a Massive Liberal Trojan Horse

Dennis Putnam dap1 at bellsouth.net
Sun Apr 29 16:07:49 MDT 2018


My dream is that there will be a "Coastal States of America" consisting
of CA, OR, NY, MA, CT and NJ. Unfortunately they will then expect tons
of foreign aid from the USA.

On 4/29/2018 4:08 PM, Stephen Frye wrote:
>
> Watching the entire collapse would be – as Mr. Spock was wont to say –
> most entertaining.  Actually, were it to happen, I think the collapse
> would occur before the actual legislation (whatever) went through. 
> This whining about secession etc. is nothing more than an infantile
> temper thrown by the left because their candidate lost.  I keep
> dreaming that one day they will accept that.  I doubt that will happen
> either.
>
>  
>
> *From:*rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com <rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com> *On
> Behalf Of *Dennis Putnam
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 29, 2018 6:38 AM
> *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] Alert: The California 3-State Split is a
> Massive Liberal Trojan Horse
>
>  
>
> Neither will the other but I can have pleasant dreams, can't I?
>
> On 4/28/2018 7:29 PM, Stephen Frye wrote:
>
>     Won’t happen.
>
>      
>
>     *From:*rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com
>     <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com> <rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>
>     <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com> *On Behalf Of *Dennis Putnam
>     *Sent:* Saturday, April 28, 2018 1:41 PM
>     *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
>     *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] Alert: The California 3-State Split is a
>     Massive Liberal Trojan Horse
>
>      
>
>     I'd prefer secession myself.
>
>     On 4/28/2018 11:46 AM, Stephen Frye wrote:
>
>         Won’t happen.
>
>          
>
>         *From:* rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com
>         <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>
>         <rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>
>         <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com> *On Behalf Of *Steven Laib
>         *Sent:* Friday, April 27, 2018 6:31 PM
>         *To:* Rushtalk Discussion List <rushtalk at csdco.com>
>         <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
>         *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] Alert: The California 3-State Split
>         is a Massive Liberal Trojan Horse
>
>          
>
>         Exactly what my examination of the proposal suggested. 
>
>         The big cities would dominate the three states giving
>         California three times the representation in the Senate as it
>         has now.  It would have a disastrous effect on the balance of
>         power in WDC.  
>
>
>         On Apr 26, 2018, at 1:29 PM, Carl Spitzer {C Juno}
>         <cwsiv at juno.com <mailto:cwsiv at juno.com>> wrote:
>
>             *    Alert: The California 3-State Split is a Massive
>             Liberal Trojan Horse*
>             By Cillian Zeal
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>             Print If you follow politics, you’ve probably heard by now
>             about the proposed California referendum that could split
>             the Golden State into three states.
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>             The measure
>             <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Finsider.foxnews.com%2F2018%2F04%2F12%2Fproposal-calls-california-be-split-three-states-billionaire-tim-draper-explains&data=02%7C01%7C%7C58c71ad600b546c9dba208d5aca7c36a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636604758891638896&sdata=M%2BjW6mdDkETQU%2BbPbrxOIrtK1kJIZ67xHYfy8vzaxC4%3D&reserved=0>,
>             proposed by billionaire Tim Draper, isn’t necessarily new.
>             Draper’s forces had previously tried to get a measure to
>             split California into multiple states onto the ballots in
>             2014 and 2016, but didn’t get enough signatures.
>
>             This year, roughly 600,000 signatures were collected,
>             easily surpassing the 365,880 needed to put a referendum
>             to a statewide vote.
>
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>             The proposal would split California into three states:
>             California, which would encompass Los Angeles, Monterey,
>             San Benito, San Luis Obispo, Santa Barbara and Ventura
>             counties and have 12.3 million residents; Southern
>             California, which would include Fresno, Imperial, Inyo,
>             Kern, Kings, Madera, Mono, Orange, Riverside, San
>             Bernardino, San Diego and Tulare counties and a population
>             of 13.9 million people; and Northern California, which
>             would include the rest of the state’s 40 counties,
>             including San Francisco and Silicon Valley, and count 13.3
>             million individuals among its numbers.
>
>             For conservatives entranced by the possibility of Calexit
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>             proposed after President Donald Trump’s victory in 2016,
>             the idea of splitting California up for better
>             representation might seem like a good idea.
>
>             You shouldn’t buy it, though. As Red State
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>             notes, it’s nothing more than the ultimate gerrymander
>             designed to increase the liberal stranglehold on the
>             Golden State.
>
>
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>             It’s worth noting that no matter what California voters do
>             at the polls this November, it’s unlikely the measure
>             would pass, at least for now. In Article 4, Section 3 of
>             the Constitution, it states that “no new State shall be
>             formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other
>             State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or
>             more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of
>             the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the
>             Congress.”
>
>             The Trump administration will veto such a split, for
>             reasons to be laid out later. That means it would need
>             two-thirds of both houses of Congress to override the
>             veto, something that clearly won’t happen. If the
>             Democrats controlled both houses and the presidency,
>             however, this plan would be on the fast track to
>             recognition, were Californians to vote for it.
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>             Draper and his allies have tried to paint the California
>             split as mostly a vote to change California’s broken state
>             politics. There’s no indication it would do that. It
>             would, however, affect national politics in a huge way.
>
>             What’s now California, which has two senators like any
>             other state, would instead get six — and it’s unlikely
>             that any of them would be conservative.
>
>             “Of those six senators, the four senators from Northern
>             California and (new) California would be uber-progressive
>             communists in perpetuity,” Red State notes.
>
>
>             “In addition, it is not guaranteed that Southern
>             California would have even one conservative senator, and
>             most probably have two RINO’s along the same lines of
>             Arizona or Mississippi, or even split like Florida
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>             And with the current balance in the Senate, adding two
>             more progressive senators to the mix, along with the
>             worst-case scenario of one conservative + one RINO, would
>             present a chill on the current structure that would make
>             it near-impossible to get anything done from even a
>             moderate-right stance, and help propel the anti-American
>             legislation that would nail the coffin into any
>             legislative relief.”
>
>             Then there’s the House. Red State estimates Southern
>             California would get 20 seats in the reapportionment, with
>             19 seats for Northern California and 17 seats for
>             California classic.
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>             There’s a catch to this, as usual: “California is made up
>             of districts that are currently near-100%
>             Democrat-controlled districts, while Northern California
>             currently has about 70% Democrat-controlled districts,”
>             Red State notes. “However, with the new states able to
>             control their district configuration, it would make it
>             more likely that Northern California is going to
>             gerrymander the sprawling conservative population into
>             fewer districts, ensuring that progressives control 16 or
>             17 of the 19 seats.”
>
>             Furthermore, Minnesota, Texas and Washington would end up
>             losing seats under this plan. Two of those three states —
>             Minnesota and Washington — would likely gerrymander their
>             districts so the GOP would lose a seat, resulting in a
>             likely cumulative loss of one seat.
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>             And that’s all a best-case scenario, assuming that
>             Southern California (or whatever it decides to rename
>             itself after the split, should it happen; the San
>             Francisco Chronicle
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>             themselves) remains conservative. That’s far from certain,
>             particularly given immigration patterns
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>             There are a number of other issues
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>             posed by this split, from apportioning the state’s
>             ginormous debt and pension responsibilities to deciding
>             how water rights are doled out. However, the biggest issue
>             should be the fact this is one giant gerrymander, little
>             more than a naked attempt to throw the balance of Congress
>             in the favor of the Democrats.
>
>             Again, it’s worth noting what I previously stated: Unless
>             the Democrats get both houses of Congress in November and
>             Trump refuses to veto this — all three of which are
>             unlikely to happen together — any change to California
>             isn’t going to happen.
>
>             However, that’s not to say it won’t appear at a later
>             date, particularly if there’s a Democrat in office. So if
>             you ever needed a reason to keep conservatives in office,
>             this blatant power grab ought to do it.
>
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