[Rushtalk] Shutup, Al!

Stephen Frye stephen.frye at outlook.com
Mon Jan 8 14:11:31 MST 2018


“It would be different if we could debate facts, but where to find them?”



I agree.  I also believe it could be informative and eye-opening to have a discussion on this topic, but it would never be a discussion, it would ne a bloodbath.  Once an issue becomes political, rhyme and reason are out the window.  Neither side will ever back down from its stated position.  There are few people, let alone political machines, that are willing to step back and say, “I was wrong.”  I’m a left-brained, logic/detail bound nerd.  I have extensively studied astronomy, and close-to-extensively physics.  Obviously, I have opinions (who doesn’t ?), and I have great respect for many other physicists and astronomers because I know their credentials.  But I have way more questions than answers, and I have a huge gap in familiarity with the actual raw data.  That combination makes for questionable conclusions.  It’s also why I won’t get sucked into the battle.

From: rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of Tom Matiska
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 10:41 AM
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It would be different if we could debate facts, but where to find them?

Start with 7 Jan BBC news(Drudge) headline that  Sydney swelters 117F<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.com%2Fnews%2Fworld-australia-42595180&data=02%7C01%7C%7C4a9ffb684f3940a73ce008d556c77a88%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636510337106681706&sdata=50dXrgfjhNkUuFZZ6X6%2B33UErizBX9UdkDF%2FlqR7Pto%3D&reserved=0> .... which seems to suggest there were 117 temps in the city.

Fact check this at weather.com almanac page for Sydney<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fweather.com%2Fweather%2Fmonthly%2Fl%2FASXX0112%3A1%3AAS&data=02%7C01%7C%7C4a9ffb684f3940a73ce008d556c77a88%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636510337106681706&sdata=AQiZ7yYepr1EAXMaqE8GyQ%2Fig9OSSOpox1zZXGhF8O0%3D&reserved=0> and it seems the Bureau of Meteorology s puts the official high at 107F

Below the headline..... the article does say Sydney area..... specifically Penrith ...  had the 117F temps... but a similar trip to Penrith's  almanac page<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fweather.com%2Fweather%2Fmonthly%2Fl%2FASXX0088%3A1%3AAS&data=02%7C01%7C%7C4a9ffb684f3940a73ce008d556c77a88%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636510337106681706&sdata=Qi%2B1uM4y7uqpuxqIdYabDZEgACorIbQM3kOhJu1NFWg%3D&reserved=0> says a less newsworthy 113F

Note also the BBC article correctly says the 47.3C temps almost broke the 1939 record, but such  fine points peel away easily.  The Wiki page for Penrith<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FPenrith%2C_New_South_Wales&data=02%7C01%7C%7C4a9ffb684f3940a73ce008d556c77a88%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636510337106681706&sdata=FoP69Fi%2FpkCHEw2bWq1m7GtG7uul%2BES7zDMdj1l%2FUeA%3D&reserved=0> was updated yesterday to show a new temp record of 117.1 was established yesterday.

So here we are.  The real story is that a town 35 miles inland was 4F below the record, but the two bookends are an outrageous BBC headline suggesting an ocean front port city had death valley like temps, and Wiki almanac data that  shows the 113F temps as 117.1F  and forgets the old record of 117.3F.


Tom

On Monday, January 8, 2018 11:47 AM, Stephen Frye <stephen.frye at outlook.com<mailto:stephen.frye at outlook.com>> wrote:

I am not questioning what you wrote.  Read what I wrote.  I am questioning the fact that many conservatives question whether or not the climate is even changing.  Others admit it is changing, and deny that it is man-caused.  Case in point:  John and you.  Read his post!

From: rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com<mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com> [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Putnam
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 4:39 AM
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"The climate has been changing since this marble was a molten ball of rock and will continue to do so until the sun novas"

I don't know how I can be more explicit. It is "man-caused," as opposed to natural, that has no evidence. That is why the climate change religion redefines the debate by eliminating the qualifier "man-caused."

On 1/7/2018 7:01 PM, Stephen Frye wrote:
So are you telling John that he may be wrong and the climate is indeed changing?

I have NEVER been clear on this issue.

Are we saying:
The climate is NOT changing?
Or
Yes, the climate is changing, but we are not causing it?

I read two different positions on that just between you and John!

From: rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com<mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com> [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Putnam
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 11:16 AM
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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Shutup, Al!

Why not? There is nothing to argue. The climate has been changing since this marble was a molten ball of rock and will continue to do so until the sun novas. The debatable part, that they try to hide by modifying terms, is "man-caused" climate change for which there is little to no evidence either way.

On 1/7/2018 1:38 PM, Stephen Frye wrote:
Whether one agrees with climate change or not, the anecdotal temperature in Pennsylvania is not scientifically indicative of anything other than your frozen foot.

And, just to be clear, there is no way in hell I will jump into the middle of the climate change argument, nor will I allow myself to be baited.  ‘Nuff said.

From: rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com<mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com> [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of John Quayle
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 5:38 PM
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                    Today and yesterday, it was in single digits here for daytime highs, with windchills between minus 20 and minus 30 degrees. Global warming my frozen foot!

On 1/6/2018 5:05 PM, Stephen Frye wrote:
Well, not everyone is freezing.  We are way above average here.  Hit almost 90 early this week, and we should be in the 50’s.  And the smog is so bad, we can barely see the mountains.  And more, we need rain.

From: rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com<mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com> [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of John Quayle
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