[Rushtalk] Why Is Socialism Still Popular?

John Quayle blueoval57 at verizon.net
Mon May 28 11:58:38 MDT 2018

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On 5/27/2018 9:02 AM, Steven Laib wrote:
> Leo XIII disapproved of socialism and the present Pope is a socialist.
> Go figure.
> On May 27, 2018, at 12:54 AM, John Quayle <blueoval57 at verizon.net 
> <mailto:blueoval57 at verizon.net>> wrote:
>>               It's been tried almost everywhere on the planet and 
>> still has failed miserably. Yet, people want it here in the United 
>> States. _/*WHY*/_/*?*/
>> /*
>> */
>> http://www.tfp.org/why-is-socialism-still-popular/?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=The+Pope+s+Bombshell+Statement&utm_campaign=TFP180525+-+The+Pope+s+Bombshell+Statement
>> The American TFP <http://www.tfp.org> > Fighting the Culture War 
>> <http://www.tfp.org/fighting-the-culture-war/> > Why Is Socialism 
>> Still Popular?
>>   Why Is Socialism Still Popular?
>> May 23, 2018 | Edwin Benson
>> Why Is Socialism Still Popular? 
>> <http://www.tfp.org/a-specter-is-haunting-america-socialism/>
>> Why Is Socialism Still Popular?
>> If ever there was a set of ideas that has been tried and found 
>> lacking, it is socialism. It has been tried on every continent. It 
>> has been tried in weak nations and strong. It has been tried in 
>> primitive countries and those which are highly developed.
>> The most striking thing about socialism is that it has never worked.
>> We in the United States have been tinkering with socialism ever since 
>> the Great Depression. Its most successful manifestation, Social 
>> Security, operates on a basis that would see any other investment 
>> manager in jail for running a Ponzi scheme. The Veterans 
>> Administration, organized to provide government assistance to those 
>> injured in the service of the United States, is a bloated bureaucracy 
>> whose many errors would land any competent private physician in 
>> bankruptcy court. Lyndon Johnson employed soaring rhetoric about a 
>> “War on Poverty,” but those programs have done little but insure that 
>> three generations of the impoverished families of 1964 are still 
>> poor. However, the free enterprise traditions of the United States 
>> have prevented socialism 
>> <http://www.tfp.org/who-paves-the-way-for-socialism/> from becoming 
>> its predominant economic system—at least so far.
>> What of those nations that embraced socialism far more totally? In 
>> its least troubling manifestations, as in northern Europe, it saps 
>> nations of their economic and intellectual potential. Great Britain 
>> was the birthplace of the Industrial Revolution, but its industrial 
>> capacity has been on a steady decline since its turn to socialism in 
>> 1945. Australia and the Scandinavian nations are often touted as 
>> places in which “cradle to grave” socialism has improved the lives of 
>> their people, but it’s no paradise there either.
>>         *Learn All About the Prophecies of Our Lady of Good Success
>>         About Our Times*
>>         <http://www.tfp.org/prophecies-of-our-lady-of-good-success-about-our-times/>Why
>>         Is Socialism Still Popular?
>>         <http://wwwtfp.org/prophecies-of-our-lady-of-good-success-about-our-times/>
>> Cast North America and Europe aside, and the record goes from 
>> unfortunate to abysmal. Brazil has massive natural resources and yet 
>> is a very poor nation. Most African nations adopted some form of 
>> socialism after gaining independence and remain impoverished. 
>> Venezuela’s turn to socialism has been an economic disaster of epic 
>> proportions. Cuba likes to blame its economic woes on the 
>> long-standing US economic boycott. Yet, the Castros could and did 
>> trade with most of the rest of the world—but in Havana a 1959 Buick 
>> still counts as a late-model car.
>> And, of course, no description of the woes of socialism would be 
>> complete without including its most famous practitioners—Josef 
>> Stalin, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, and Adolf Hitler. (Yes, Hitler was a 
>> socialist despite the Left’s attempt to claim that Fascism 
>> <http://www.tfp.org/is-it-fascist-to-be-anti-communist/> is a 
>> right-wing phenomenon. Remember that Nazi 
>> <http://www.tfp.org/reflections-on-ten-years-of-struggle-against-nazism/> 
>> was short for National /Socialist/.) The untold millions that met 
>> their deaths and the massive destruction that occurred under these 
>> socialist leaders beggars the imagination.
>> So, then, why is socialism 
>> <http://www.tfp.org/a-specter-is-haunting-america-socialism/> 
>> enjoying a popular upsurge in the United States?
>> First, it just sounds so good. Karl Marx’s famous prescription, “From 
>> each according to his ability, to each according to his need” 
>> resonates in the souls of many. Listen to a student choir sing John 
>> Lennon’s socialist anthem /Imagine/. That “brotherhood of man” line 
>> has an undeniable appeal, even for those who know better. It would 
>> just be so nice, peaceful, and happy if it worked. (Insert heavy sigh.)
>>         *What Does Self-Managing Socialism Mean for Communism: A
>>         Barrier? Or a Bridgehead?*
>>         <http://www.tfp.org/what-does-self-managing-socialism-mean-for-communism-a-barrier-or-a-bridgehead/>
>> The second reason is the little examined fact that most Americans 
>> have spent the first two decades of their lives living the socialist 
>> dream. There is no more socialist segment of our society than public 
>> education. The system is taxpayer-supported. Buildings, books, 
>> furniture, food, and the teachers are provided regardless of the 
>> students’ individual merits or ability to pay. All of the 
>> above-mentioned items are provided through a bureaucracy, which 
>> determines the quality of each of those items, without regard to the 
>> individual preferences of the students or parents. Students are 
>> assigned to classes and teachers by a computer-generated invisible 
>> force that places them together randomly, and over which there is 
>> usually no appeal. Much work is done collectively, in which all 
>> members of the group share the grade regardless of their individual 
>> contributions.
>>     Why Is Socialism Still Popular?
>>     <http://www.tfp.org/10-reasons-to-reject-socialism/>
>> We can also see in these schools one of the great flaws of socialism. 
>> Any system in which the basic decisions are made elsewhere breeds 
>> indifference. The school system is a great machine, with little 
>> regard to the individual. The student comes to know that he is 
>> unimportant to the school as a person. He moves through the required 
>> courses and the required number of electives until graduation. The 
>> school goes on the same way whether he is there or not. Teachers and 
>> administrators may leap to disagree, but the students know the truth. 
>> In such a world, every impulse is to meet the minimum standard. Even 
>> the student whose parents demand high grades wonders how little work 
>> he has to do in order to get his A. If the parents don’t demand it, 
>> nobody else does either. The kid who passes by the skin of his teeth 
>> gets the same diploma as the valedictorian. Maybe the honor society 
>> members get an extra cord to wear on their gown, but underachievers 
>> seem to be able to get along quite well without it. Actual learning 
>> means about as little to the top students as it does to those who 
>> squeak by with a D. Success means complying with the minimum 
>> standards of the system.
>> Another reason that socialism is becoming more popular is that it 
>> feels good without requiring any actual sacrifice. Taking care of 
>> others is the essence of benevolence, right? A socialist can indulge 
>> the sense that he is taking care of the downtrodden without having to 
>> give up anything that he values.
>>         *A Specter is Haunting America — Socialism*
>>         <http://www.tfp.org/a-specter-is-haunting-america-socialism/>
>> Consider the reaction to the story that Bernie Sanders—the 
>> self-professed “Democratic Socialist”—owns three homes and has a net 
>> worth of over a million dollars. Supporters either ignored the story 
>> or quibbled about the details. Setting aside the specifics of the 
>> number of houses or their value, it remains that Sanders is in an 
>> enviable position economically. If you wish, press one of the young 
>> socialists on the ethics of his being a wealthy man who attempts to 
>> force people far poorer than himself to pay for the needs of the 
>> impoverished without being willing to sacrifice his own standard of 
>> living. The response is likely to be an assertion that his heart is 
>> in the right place, that he fights for the poor, and, therefore, his 
>> individual style of life matters little.
>> How can Sen. Sander’s supporters overlook so seemingly obvious a 
>> flaw? Simple, it is where their heads are as well. Today’s college 
>> socialists do not want to deny themselves the pleasures of life in 
>> their search for Utopia. Most of them are in college because a 
>> college degree promises financial prosperity. Regardless of the fact 
>> that this promise is often unmet, the typical social justice warrior 
>> prizes his own comforts just as much as the chairman of the College 
>> Republicans. Yet the socialist signals a sense of virtue while being 
>> able to dismiss those on the right as greedy.
>>     Why Is Socialism Still Popular?
>>     <http://www.tfp.org/can-americas-schools-saved-insider-weighs/>
>> The third reason that socialists continue to carry their banner 
>> proudly may be the most important—pure undiluted arrogance. The 
>> problem with socialism, they cry, is that it hasn’t been done 
>> properly. “Listen to us—the young, the pure, and the good. We can fix 
>> the mistakes of the past. We can cure the injustices. We can raise up 
>> the poor. We can guard each man’s dignity and spare each man’s 
>> pride”—as the campfire classic /They Will Know We are Christians by 
>> Our Love/ puts it.
>> Try to expand the knowledge base of the blissfully arrogant by 
>> mentioning the abuses of Mao, Stalin, Castro, or Che Guevara and most 
>> will look confused at first. Eventually they will come up with a 
>> reply. It is most likely to resemble the following. “We are not like 
>> that. Those are dead men; their actions are in the past. We don’t 
>> need to make the mistakes they made. We have not been corrupted by 
>> the world.”
>> Of course, the college educated will disguise their arrogance under 
>> other words that assert their intelligence. One will hear about power 
>> structures, imperialist residue, and systems of oppression. 
>> Working-class conservatives are dismissed as dupes who work against 
>> their own interests. Western culture, which created the universities 
>> in which the socialists work and learn, is the creation of dead white 
>> men as a tool to subjugate females and those of other races. Defend 
>> the idea that western culture created the concepts of freedom that 
>> they supposedly espouse and you commit microaggressions. The 
>> enlightened can no longer tolerate your “hate speech.” Make an 
>> argument based on logic, and you will be met with the language of 
>> deconstruction or the concept of relative truth.
>>         *What the Popes Have to Say About Socialism*
>>         <http://www.tfp.org/what-the-popes-have-to-say-about-socialism/>
>> How can the young socialists avoid the mistakes of the past? They 
>> can’t, because they can’t get around the fact that socialism is 
>> inherently unjust. In 1878, Pope Leo XIII correctly assessed the 
>> evils of socialism 
>> <http://www.tfp.org/10-reasons-to-reject-socialism/> in his 
>> encyclical, /Quod Apostolici Muneris/ (On Socialism).^1 
>> <http://www.tfp.org/why-is-socialism-still-popular/?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=The+Pope+s+Bombshell+Statement&utm_campaign=TFP180525+-+The+Pope+s+Bombshell+Statement#easy-footnote-bottom-1-55130>
>>     “For, indeed, although the socialists, stealing the very Gospel
>>     itself with a view to deceive more easily the unwary, have been
>>     accustomed to distort it so as to suit their own purposes,
>>     nevertheless so great is the difference between their depraved
>>     teachings and the most pure doctrine of Christ that none greater
>>     could exist: ‘for what participation hath justice with injustice
>>     or what fellowship hath light with darkness?’
>>     <http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=54&ch=6&l=14-#x>” (Paragraph 5)
>> Leo XIII would further explain at length in 1891 in /Rerum Novarum/ 
>> (On the Condition of the Working Classes).^2 
>> <http://www.tfp.org/why-is-socialism-still-popular/?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=The+Pope+s+Bombshell+Statement&utm_campaign=TFP180525+-+The+Pope+s+Bombshell+Statement#easy-footnote-bottom-2-55130>
>>     “[I]nasmuch as the Socialists seek to transfer the goods of
>>     private persons to the community at large, they make the lot of
>>     all wage earners worse, because in abolishing the freedom to
>>     dispose of wages, they take away from them by this very act the
>>     hope and the opportunity of increasing their property and of
>>     securing advantages for themselves.” (Paragraph 9)
>>     “Inasmuch as the Socialists, therefore, disregard care by parents
>>     and in its place introduce care by the State, they act /against
>>     natural justice/ and dissolve the structure of the home.”
>>     (Paragraph 21, emphasis in the original)
>>     “[T]he equality conjured up by the Socialist imagination would,
>>     in reality, be nothing but uniform wretchedness and meanness for
>>     one and all, without distinction.” (Paragraph 22)
>>             *Equality and Inequality Among Men*
>>             <http://www.tfp.org/equality-and-inequality-among-men/>
>>     “[I]t is perceived that the fundamental principle of Socialism
>>     which would make all possessions public property is to be utterly
>>     rejected because it injures the very ones whom it seeks to help,
>>     contravenes the natural rights of individual persons, and throws
>>     the functions of the State and public peace into confusion.”
>>     (Paragraph 23)
>> It cannot be said that Pope Leo was speaking as some sort of 
>> hidebound reactionary, longing for a time in which the peasants did 
>> as they were told. /Rerum Novarum/ also speaks movingly about the 
>> obligations of employers and the rights of workers. Clearly, this was 
>> no passing fancy on the part of Leo XIII, but a well-considered 
>> opinion developed over a considerable period of time.
>> Any intelligent adult can look at the plight of socialism’s many 
>> victims and easily conclude whose vision of life under socialism was 
>> more accurate—that of Karl Marx or that of Leo XIII. It is long since 
>> time that we, as a society, exposed the truth about socialism 
>> <http://www.tfp.org/what-the-popes-have-to-say-about-socialism/> to 
>> our children, especially those who are listening to its siren call.
>> This will not be easy. Socialism has eaten deeply into the 
>> intellectual fiber of modern life. Many are they who, knowingly or 
>> not, buy into Marx’s assertion that the victory of socialism is 
>> inevitable. They can be found in the universities and labor unions, 
>> in schools and the halls of Congress. Unfortunately, large numbers of 
>> them can also be found amongst the leaders of Holy Mother Church.
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>>         <http://www.tfp.org/10-razones-por-las-cuales-el-qmatrimonioq-homosexual-es-danino-y-tiene-que-ser-desaprobado/>
>> The apologists for socialism have many tools at their command. The 
>> “mainstream media” will be happy to show the travails of the poor and 
>> unemployed in the United States. They will be happy to use their 
>> rhetorical skills in socialism’s behalf—as we saw in the debate over 
>> Obamacare when the lack of healthcare /insurance/ was presented as 
>> the lack of healthcare itself. The socialist’s supposed compassion 
>> will be trotted out to make the working guy who wants to bring home a 
>> few more of the dollars that he earned look like a short-sighted 
>> hick, clinging to, as President Obama famously put it, “God and guns.”
>> Of course, the anti-socialist has a less obvious, but far more 
>> important weapon. It is a weapon whose effect can be delayed but 
>> never denied. That weapon is called Truth, and socialism cannot 
>> ultimately defeat it. For those of us who know socialism for what it 
>> is, faithfulness to God and His Church demand that we proclaim the 
>> evils of this inherently evil ideology.
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