[Rushtalk] Anthony Fauci Is A Communist

Stephen Frye stephen.frye at outlook.com
Sun Nov 15 14:44:09 MST 2020


Dennis, you're one of the few on the right who will admit even that much.  When Covid first hit and everything shut down, it took less than 48 hours and we could see the mountains as clearly as if they were in our back yard.  They stayed that way until traffic picked up and they smogged over again.  The impact that has on our atmosphere?  I don't know, but I do believe it's greater than "0".  You can see it, you can taste   it, and you can smell it.  The chemicals are there.  Again, as far as quantification?  I can't.  I truly don't think anyone can for sure.

The atmosphere is like ocean currents: constantly moving.  Again I doubt anyone knows for sure the impact; we're too small a blip in geological history,.  But I don't think we can scientifically claim minimal any more than anyone else can claim maximal.  I wish we had gas analysis analogous to CE, we *might* get better data.  More than how much, because it has been politicized, both sides are pushing influence to the opposite extremes, of course citing "experts" who agree with them.  Quite simply, once politicized (and both sides are guilty) I don't believe anybody, because I can no longer distinguish between true science and politics.

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Just a minor correction. We know the climate has been changing since this planet was a molten ball of mud and will continue to change until humans are extinct. It is not climate change that is in dispute which is why the left uses that term instead of what they really want us to believe. It has become politicized to advance a leftist agenda. The very few data points available are mostly negative correlations of MAN-CAUSED climate change.

As to the China virus there is no disputing that it too has become politicized and that the Democrats are using it to justify unprecedented power in order to suppress Constitutional rights and getting away with it.

On 11/14/2020 5:57 PM, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
Well, it demonstrates some correlation, but we all know from basic statistics that correlation does not imply causation �That said, I am neither confirming nor denying your claim. �I don�t know. �I don�t think there are enough data points to form a good theory. �We have far more data points for climate, and we�ll go to our graves denying it. �Germany locked down, virus spread subsided. �They opened almost everything, and it has reserved - maybe even worse than the first round. �The only five countries in Europe I can speak about are Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands, and Germany. �The other four are all warning their citizens not to go to the Netherlands; far too many transmissions there.

A lot of cases, a lot of opinions, a lot of conclusions. �Like I said, we�ll all tend to align with the ones that suit us.

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Well we can draw on experience. Lock downs were tried here an in Europe and neither worked. Sweden did not lock down and they are better than the rest of Europe regarding hospitalizations and deaths. Hard to draw more than one conclusion based on those facts.

On 11/14/2020 2:36 PM, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
He�s right about at least one thing: �science becomes secondary to politics. �I know, I know: ��experts say ...�. �The problem is that we can always find a plethora of experts who will tell us exactly what we want to hear - never fails. �The issues get totally politicized, and then no one will ever back down. �Both sides dig in their heels, cite their own selected experts, and any hope of progress and/or agreement is lost �We, family and I, are at a point we really don�t know what to believe. �We�re never sure of any �expert�s� motives. �We have two great MDs in our immediate family, and they disagree with each other. �And both of their opinions totally disagree with their personal politics.

Add to that the fact that most people detest being told what to do, and it�s even harder to determine what is real and what is simply non-conformity.

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Fauci Dismisses Americans' Independent Spirit, Tells Citizens 'Now Is the Time To Do What You're Told'
[Anthony                    Fauci, director of National Institute of Allergy and                    Infectious Diseases at NIH, testifies at a Senate                    Health, Education, and Labor and Pensions Committee on                    Capitol Hill, on Sept. 23, in Washington, D.C.]Graeme Jennings - Pool / Getty ImagesAnthony Fauci, director of National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at NIH, testifies at a Senate Health, Education, and Labor and Pensions Committee on Capitol Hill, on Sept. 23, in Washington, D.C. (Graeme Jennings - Pool / Getty Images)
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Americans need to learn obedience, according to Dr. Anthony Fauci.
Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and a White House coronavirus adviser, said that the size and character of America make it difficult to simply shut down the entire nation.

�I was talking with my U.K. colleagues who are saying the U.K. is similar to where we are now, because each of our countries have that independent spirit,� he said Thursday, according to CNBC<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnbc.com%2F2020%2F11%2F12%2Ffauci-says-us-has-independent-spirit-but-now-is-the-time-to-do-what-youre-told.html&data=04%7C01%7C%7C64a9b577b2874a7a939f08d889756b7f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637410484891451220%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=119R%2B8uVABlLqgSIf98skpKpMLID4JxY9wbcvKmAOSQ%3D&reserved=0>.

�I can understand that, but now is the time to do what you�re told,� he said.
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�We did not act in a unified way,� he said, adding that in the early months of the pandemic, not enough was done to limit the spread of the virus.
Fauci said the image of scientists and health experts as �authoritarian� by Americans was a problem because science �has been lumped into politics,� according to CNBC.


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�I think every family unit needs to do a risk assessment,� he said, taking into effect factors such as the age of those attending, any underlying health conditions and the extent of travel needed to bring everyone together.

�You may want to make a decision that you�re just going to forestall it � now whenever I say that I�m the grinch that stole Thanksgiving,� he said. �I�m not saying that. I�m saying everyone needs to seriously think about the risk-benefit.�
Fauci said there�s nothing wrong with erring on the side of caution.

�You might say,�� he continued, �I had a wonderful Thanksgiving last year. I�m looking forward to a wonderful Thanksgiving next year. But maybe right now is not the time to have 25 people in a house when you take your mask off as you�re eating.�
The infectious disease expert drew a reaction on Twitter.
Thanksgiving is not cancelled in the Browning household. Sorry, Fauci.
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Trying to achieve herd immunity � in which the virus would be allowed to spread to build up enough immunity in the nation that the virus eventually is no longer a threat � is not a good option, he said.

�It sounds simple in the context of this ominous outbreak but in fact we can turn it around,� he said according to CNBC.
Fauci was upbeat about a vaccine from Pfizer that the company has said was 90 percent effective.
�When people know that help is on the way � I hope we can get over the COVID fatigue,� he said.
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