From cwsiv at juno.com  Thu Mar  3 04:14:08 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2022 03:14:08 -0800
Subject: [Rushtalk] UKRAINE PRESS RELEASE ABOUT JOE BIDEN
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Criminality of Biden exposed by Ukraine press conference.






UKRAINE PRESS RELEASE ABOUT JOE BIDEN
VD https://www.bitchute.com/video/lcEw4wNEhaJ6/





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From quaylejohn at aol.com  Thu Mar  3 08:41:29 2022
From: quaylejohn at aol.com (John  A. Quayle)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2022 15:41:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] UKRAINE PRESS RELEASE ABOUT JOE BIDEN
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 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Corruption is running rampant in the world right now, not just in the US, but that is no excuse. It must be halted! 
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Criminality of Biden exposed by Ukraine press conference.






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From cwsiv at juno.com  Thu Mar  3 09:19:26 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2022 08:19:26 -0800
Subject: [Rushtalk] Prime Minister Injustice Trudeau
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From cwsiv at juno.com  Thu Mar  3 09:24:52 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2022 08:24:52 -0800
Subject: [Rushtalk] The truckers have changed Canada forever
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The truckers have changed Canada forever

The Freedom Convoy has shaken Canadian politics to its core.


Rupa Subramanya 

18th February 2022
The truckers have changed Canada forever
Share 

Topics Covid-19 
On Monday 14 February, Canadian prime minister Justin Trudeau sent an
unlikely Valentine?s gift to his citizens, invoking rarely used
emergency powers, which came into effect the next day. This was in
response to the ?Freedom Convoy? of thousands of truckers and protesters
who have gathered in the nation?s capital, Ottawa. Trudeau claimed that
the protests were not peaceful, implying that the crisis could not be
solved by normal policing under existing statutes. The reality is that,
during more than two weeks of protests, Ottawa?s protesters are guilty
of little more than municipal traffic and noise infractions. There has
been no violence. Nevertheless, two of the protest leaders, Tamara Lich
and Chris Barber, have been detained by police under the emergency
powers.



The threshold for invoking emergency powers in Canada is supposed to be
high. Indeed, similar powers have only been used in the two world wars
and, controversially, in 1970, when then prime minister Pierre Trudeau,
Justin?s father, used emergency powers to suppress a separatist movement
in Quebec. His son?s use of emergency powers, in the context of a
peaceful protest, has been criticised by the Canadian Civil Liberties
Association, which has argued that the necessary threshold has not been
met to justify invoking these draconian powers. It should also be noted
that Trudeau and his government have consistently refused to meet and
even to listen to the protesters? grievances, despite the protesters
themselves being willing to engage in dialogue.

Strangely, the most problematic element of the protest ? a trucker
blockade of the Ambassador Bridge, which connects Windsor, Ontario to
Detroit, Michigan, over which 25 per cent of US-Canada trade travels ?
was peacefully resolved the weekend before Trudeau?s proclamation, by
the provincial police. Meanwhile, on the same day that Trudeau declared
his emergency, another blockade ? on the border between Alberta and the
US state of Montana ? ended peacefully and without the use of force. The
police and the protesters ended up hugging each other after the issue
was resolved. 



As the protests have gone on, sections of Canada?s governing class,
especially in Ottawa, have started to sound more like Soviet-era
authoritarians than friendly local officials. Earlier this week,
following a hack, a list of donors to a Freedom Convoy crowdfunding page
was leaked and shared with the media. The illegally obtained donor list
has been gleefully shared by public officials, who have relished the
chance to expose the private details of their fellow citizens as
punishment for exercising their constitutional right to donate to a
peaceful protest. Norms of privacy and basic decency appear to have
totally collapsed. While those characterised as ?insurrectionists? and
?mercenaries? continue to seek dialogue and peaceful engagement, large
swathes of Canada?s ?progressive? elite stand exposed as little more
than a latter-day lynch mob.

One root of the present crisis is that the political class and its echo
chamber in large sections of the mainstream media had already fixed on a
narrative before the protesters had even arrived in Ottawa. Trudeau
asserted that the truckers were a small fringe of extremists who held
?unacceptable views?. It was widely assumed that the protests would
fizzle out after a day or two, and the whole thing could be forgotten. 


The peace that could have been
Recommended

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Tim Black
I walked through the protests on the first day, as truckers and other
protesters were arriving, and realised immediately that the reality on
the ground was nothing like the received narrative. The protesters
spanned the demographic diversity of Canada, including young and old
people, people of colour and new immigrants. The signs and messages they
held up were largely about love, unity, peace and inclusiveness ? not
the hate and divisiveness I had been told to expect. The many stories I
heard shattered the stereotypes that the protesters and truckers were
all anti-science, anti-vaxxers, racists, misogynists and would-be
insurrectionists. 

In fact, some of the protesters, including the convoy organisers, are
vaccinated. Others have taken vaccines in the past, such as the annual
winter flu shot, but are wary of the Covid-19 vaccines. Some noted the
politicisation and divisiveness caused by vaccine mandates, while others
objected to the mandates in principle, as a violation of bodily autonomy
and freedom of choice. Others were animated by the larger cause of
protesting against what they saw as government overreach and the
encroachment on individual liberty represented by the whole slew of
Covid measures, including lockdowns and other restrictions ? many of
which remain much more stringent in Canada than in most of the advanced
West. 



The peaceful civil disobedience that Trudeau is cracking down on has at
times felt like a winter carnival, featuring community kitchens, live
music and bouncy castles. The reality on the ground is very different
from the ?insurrectionist activity? and ?violent intentions? that the
government and large sections of the media seem determined to see. 

Ironically, whenever Trudeau meets a foreign leader who is dealing with
large-scale protests, he always preaches the gospel of dialogue rather
than crackdown. Most notably, when India?s capital was similarly
paralysed by a blockade of tractors and trucks, as farmers protested
against PM Narendra Modi?s agricultural reforms, Trudeau went so far as
to throw his support behind the protests, which lasted more than a
year. 


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Brendan O'Neill
Canada?s protesters have not, as yet, achieved their stated objective of
removing all federal vaccine mandates and other pandemic-related
restrictions. But their impact has been nothing short of seismic on the
Canadian political scene. Within days of the convoy?s arrival in Ottawa
at the beginning of February, Conservative leader Erin O?Toole, who had
been studiously neutral on the protests, was sacked by his own
parliamentary party, some of whom are sympathetic to the protesters?
demands. Ottawa?s police chief, Peter Sloly, resigned on Tuesday
following widespread criticism of his mishandling of the protests.
Meanwhile, facing the heat from a public frustrated and fatigued by
restrictions, the premiers of Canada?s two largest provinces, Ontario
and Quebec, hastily announced plans to accelerate the return to
normality. A proposal in Quebec to ?tax? the unvaccinated has also been
dropped. 

Polls show that while many Canadians disagree with the convoy?s tactics,
an increasing percentage are sympathetic to the protesters? goals of
ending pandemic-related restrictions on normal life. Even Trudeau was
forced to concede that the very protesters he had derided as an
extremist fringe had in fact struck a chord with many Canadians. 



Canada?s state of emergency is a bad look both for Trudeau and the
country he leads. His carefully cultivated ?progressive? and ?woke?
image, which remarkably withstood even images of him in racist
blackface, lies in ruins, as does Canada?s reputation as a country of
pragmatic and caring folk who resolve matters peacefully. What the
protests have made clear is that Trudeau and the power elite surrounding
him have totally misjudged what can only be described as a grassroots
awakening among those Canadians who do not share the presumed
progressive consensus on big government and rule by mandate. 

Remarkably, Trudeau has faced little pushback from the mainstream
political parties, who are fragmented and ineffective. So far, they have
allowed a leader with a minority in parliament, who lost the popular
vote in the last two elections, to essentially have his way. That may be
beginning to change.



Rupa Subramanya is a columnist for the National Post. Follow her on
Twitter: @rupasubramanya.




https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/02/18/the-truckers-have-changed-canada-forever/


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From cwsiv at juno.com  Thu Mar  3 10:04:30 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2022 09:04:30 -0800
Subject: [Rushtalk] Progressive DA Accused Of Suppressing Evidence That
 Could Help Cop He's Prosecuting
In-Reply-To: <1002859727.1782318.1645027350904@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1644957333.11804.4.camel@linux-7k5b.site>
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On Wed, 2022-02-16 at 16:02 +0000, John A. Quayle wrote:
>                         The rule of law is gone in America. Corruption
> reins supreme! 


Mostly in blue states.  We need to return Trump so he can flush out the
sewer.
The question is can it be done peacefully in light of the Dominion
machine cheating.





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From cwsiv at juno.com  Thu Mar  3 10:05:46 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2022 09:05:46 -0800
Subject: [Rushtalk] Progressive DA Accused Of Suppressing Evidence That
 Could Help Cop He's Prosecuting
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On Wed, 2022-02-16 at 17:35 +0000, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
> San Franciscans just recalled the ? woke? school board.  Maybe the DA
> is next.


Good for them its been a long time.  After all this is the city which
gave us Gov poop street.
As I remember Seattle is the one where all the Walgreens closed because
of looting..


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From cwsiv at juno.com  Thu Mar  3 10:06:19 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2022 09:06:19 -0800
Subject: [Rushtalk] Progressive DA Accused Of Suppressing Evidence That
 Could Help Cop He's Prosecuting
In-Reply-To: <1542305389.1843730.1645037018469@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1644957333.11804.4.camel@linux-7k5b.site>
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On Wed, 2022-02-16 at 18:43 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
>                         Praise God! Nice work....................... 
> 


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From cwsiv at juno.com  Thu Mar  3 10:07:25 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2022 09:07:25 -0800
Subject: [Rushtalk] Progressive DA Accused Of Suppressing Evidence That
 Could Help Cop He's Prosecuting
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References: <1644957333.11804.4.camel@linux-7k5b.site>
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On Wed, 2022-02-16 at 13:45 -0500, Dennis Putnam via Rushtalk wrote:
> The DA in LA is up for a recall already.



We need a new law which I call "Looter Shooter".
Basically a standing shoot to kill order for BLM terrorists.




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From cwsiv at juno.com  Thu Mar  3 10:13:08 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2022 09:13:08 -0800
Subject: [Rushtalk] Teammates call for trans swimmer Lia Thomas to be
 barred from competition
In-Reply-To: <1160911008.2123734.1645119584270@mail.yahoo.com>
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On Thu, 2022-02-17 at 17:39 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
> He should be......this creep (like Bruce Jenner) still has his male
> parts! He's a man and will always be one!


GOD made them male and female.  But the people promoting this nonsense
of n>2 genders are the Anti Christ Anti Trump dirty RED son of a bitch.
The ungodly are truly fixed upon a path to hell and desire to be left
in peace to go to hell without regard for our rights and
responsibilities to warn them.
Not that i have any prophetic insite regarding the end times but if its
not now its only because the wicked have not yet filled up their souls
with enough sin.




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From cwsiv at juno.com  Thu Mar  3 12:19:58 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2022 11:19:58 -0800
Subject: [Rushtalk] Teammates call for trans swimmer Lia Thomas to be
 barred from competition
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On Thu, 2022-02-17 at 12:45 -0500, Dennis Putnam via Rushtalk wrote:
> Having male parts should not be the determining factor. Surgery can
> change that. The only correct way is DNA and number of X chromosomes.


Yet the sports world is afraid to stand up for this  If your listening
to Limbaugh Replacements you know its really nuts out there just
confusing male and female never mind all the other leftist invented
gender bending nonsense.  But then these are the people who have brought
us election fraud and Fauci Fear and a new version of SNAFU .

Situation Normal All Fauci-ed UP.




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From cwsiv at juno.com  Thu Mar  3 12:22:50 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2022 11:22:50 -0800
Subject: [Rushtalk] Mega-Donor Who Backed Stacey Abrams-Linked PAC
 Showers Clarice Schillinger Campaign With Cash
In-Reply-To: <1926778804.51648.1645230936484@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1644958016.11804.14.camel@linux-7k5b.site>
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On Sat, 2022-02-19 at 00:35 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
> I'm just wondering if this guy is the same Paul Martino who was a
> newsman with KDKA-TV when I interned there 30 years ago.........


You might have to write the author but if he is working to get schools
out of the hands of government hacks and Democrats then he would be our
kind of person.




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From cwsiv at juno.com  Thu Mar  3 12:25:41 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2022 11:25:41 -0800
Subject: [Rushtalk] Oklahoma bill would fine teachers $10k for teaching
 anything that contradicts religion
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On Tue, 2022-02-22 at 21:57 +0000, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
> This is totally inappropriate for public schools.  No one has the
> right to force their views - religious or otherwise - on others.


Well the atheist PINKO have forced their religion on us.  Now its time
to take back the schools from them and for Christ, America and President
Trump.




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From cwsiv at juno.com  Thu Mar  3 12:27:45 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2022 11:27:45 -0800
Subject: [Rushtalk] 
 =?utf-8?q?WATCH=3A_New_NYC_Mayor_Eric_Adams_Bragged_A?=
 =?utf-8?b?Ym91dCDigJxLaWNraW5nIENyYWNrZXLigJkgQXNzZXMu?=
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On Sun, 2022-02-27 at 14:53 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
> We know who the real racists are and it's not conservatives..........


The soft racism of diminished expectations if very popular with the
left.
What amazes me is the outright stupidity of white male democrats to be
party to a hate group which wants their votes and money and silence.





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From cwsiv at juno.com  Fri Mar  4 11:44:22 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2022 10:44:22 -0800
Subject: [Rushtalk] Trump vs Biden
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Lets Go Brandon.


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From cwsiv at juno.com  Mon Mar  7 08:38:40 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2022 07:38:40 -0800
Subject: [Rushtalk] How American right-wing funding for Canadian trucker
 protests could sway U.S. politics
Message-ID: <1646667520.19191.2.camel@linux-7k5b.site>

I think we own them thanks for helping us get off our butts and do it
for ourselves.
Sadly it did take a month longer but finally we have shown the
Washington crowd no more.
CWSIV


How American right-wing funding for Canadian trucker protests could sway
U.S. politics

World Feb 17, 2022  
WASHINGTON (AP) ? The Canadians who have disrupted travel and trade with
the U.S. and occupied downtown Ottawa for nearly three weeks have been
cheered and funded by American right-wing activists and conservative
politicians who also oppose vaccine mandates and the country?s liberal
leader.

Yet whatever impact the protests have on Canadian society and the
government of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, experts say the outside
support is really aimed at energizing conservative politics in the U.S.
Midterm elections are looming, and some Republicans think standing with
the protesters up north will galvanize fund-raising and voter turnout at
home, these experts say.

READ MORE: Ottawa police chief resigns as trucker protests paralyze
Canada?s capital

?The kind of narratives that the truckers and the trucker convoy are
focusing on are going to be really important issues for the (U.S.)
elections coming ahead,? said Samantha Bradshaw, a postdoctoral fellow
at the Digital Civil Society Lab at Stanford University. ?And so using
this protest as an opportunity to galvanize their own supporters and
other groups, I think it?s very much an opportunity for them.?

Police poured into downtown Ottawa on Thursday, and work crews erected
fences around Parliament, in what protesters feared was a prelude to a
crackdown.

About 44 percent of the nearly $10 million in contributions to support
the protesters originated from U.S. donors, according to an Associated
Press analysis of leaked donor files. U.S. Republican elected officials,
including Texas Sen. Ted Cruz and Georgia Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene,
have praised the protesters calling them ?heroes? and ?patriots.?

Fox News host Sean Hannity told two protest organizers on his show on
Wednesday that ?you do have a lot of support from your friends in
America. That I can tell you.? He added: ?We have a movement in America
that?s starting very soon.?

Trudeau and other senior Canadian officials have been sharply critical
of the financial support coming from other countries.

?What this country is facing is a largely foreign-funded, targeted and
coordinated attack on critical infrastructure and our democratic
institutions,? Bill Blair, Canada?s minister of public safety and
emergency preparedness, said earlier this week.

Ian Reifowitz, professor of historical studies at the State University
of New York, called the protests a ?gift? for Republicans in the U.S.,
and he predicted they?ll use the populist appeal of the demonstrations
to raise money ahead of the midterm elections in November.

?They constantly need fresh outrages,? said Reifowitz, the author of
?The Tribalization of Politics: How Rush Limbaugh?s Race-Baiting
Rhetoric on the Obama Presidency Paved the Way for Trump.?

?It?s a terrific (issue) eight or nine months before the election for
them,? he said. ?It allows you to bank money, bank volunteers and
energize the base, which is what you want to do.?

Demonstrators in Ottawa have been regularly supplied with fuel and food,
and the area around Parliament Hill has at times resembled a spectacular
carnival with bouncy castles, gyms, a playground and a concert stage
with DJs.

GiveSendGo, a website used to collect donations for the Canadian
protests, has collected at least $9.58 million dollars, including $4.2
million, or 44%, that originated in the United States, according to a
database of donor information posted online by DDoSecrets, a non-profit
group.

READ MORE: Truckers, demonstrators paralyze Canada?s capital over COVID
mandates

The Canadian government has been working to block protesters? access to
these funds, however, and it is not clear how much of the money has
ultimately gotten through.

Millions of dollars raised through another crowdfunding site, GoFundMe,
were blocked after Canadian officials raised objections with the
company, which determined that the effort violated its terms of service
around unlawful activity.

The GiveSendGo database analyzed by AP showed more than 109,000
donations through Friday night to campaigns in support of the protests,
with a little under 62,000 coming from the U.S.

The GiveSendGo data listed several Americans as giving thousands or tens
of thousands of dollars to the protest, with the largest single donation
of $90,000 coming from a person who identified himself as Thomas M.
Siebel.

Siebel, the billionaire founder of software company Siebel Systems, did
not respond to messages sent to an email associated with a foundation he
runs and to his LinkedIn account.

A representative from the Siebel Scholars Foundation, who signed her
name only as Jennifer, did not respond to questions about whether he had
donated the money. But she said Siebel has a record of supporting
several causes, including efforts to ?protect individual liberty.?

?These are personal initiatives and have nothing to do with the
companies with which he is associated,? she wrote.

Siebel has donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to Republican
candidates and organizations over the last 20 years, according to
Federal Election Commission records, including a $400,000 contribution
in 2019 to a GOP fundraising committee called ?Take Back the House
2020.?

The GiveSendGo Freedom Convoy campaign was created on Jan. 27 by Tamara
Lich. She previously belonged to the far-right Maverick Party, which
calls for western Canada to become independent.

READ MORE: Canada?s Trudeau invokes emergency powers as demonstrations
persist

The Canadian government moved earlier this week to cut off funding for
the protesters by broadening the scope of the country?s anti-money
laundering and terrorist financing rules to cover crowdfunding platforms
like GiveSendGo.

?We are making these changes because we know that these platforms are
being used to support illegal blockades and illegal activity, which is
damaging the Canadian economy,? said Canadian Finance Minister Chrystia
Freeland.

Perhaps more important than the financial support is the cheerleading
the Canadian protesters have received from prominent American
conservative politicians and pundits, like Hannity, who see kindred
spirits in their northern neighbors opposing vaccine mandates.

On the same day Lich created the GiveSendGo campaign, retired Army Lt.
Gen. Michael Flynn shared a video of the convoy in a post on the
messaging app Telegram.

?These truckers are fighting back against the nonsense and tyranny,
especially coming from the Canadian government,? wrote Flynn, the former
head of the Defense Intelligence Agency who served briefly as former
President Donald Trump?s national security adviser.

A few days later, Flynn urged people to donate to the Canadian
protesters. Earlier this week, he twice posted the message
?#TrudeauTheCoward? on Telegram, referring to the prime minister who
leads Canada?s Liberal Party.

Fox News hosts regularly laud the protests, and Trump weighed in with a
broadside at Trudeau, calling him a ?far left lunatic? who has
?destroyed Canada with insane COVID mandates.? Cruz called the truckers
?heroes? and ?patriots,? and Greene said she cannot wait to see a convoy
protest in Washington.

Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., said he hopes truckers come to America and ?clog
up cities? in an interview last week with the Daily Signal, a news
website of the conservative Heritage Foundation.

Far-right and anti-vaccine activists, inspired by the Canadian actions,
are now planning American versions of the protests against COVID-19
mandates and restrictions modeled on the Canadian demonstrations.

The protests in Canada have also created a moneymaking opportunity for
some, including a chain of ?New England for Trump? stores, which were
selling merchandise inspired by the demonstrators. A mesh-back ?Freedom
Convoy 2022? trucker hat goes for $25. ?-

Swenson reported from New York, and Smith reported from Providence,
Rhode Island. Associated Press writers Amanda Seitz in Washington, Larry
Fenn in New York, Frank Bajak in Boston and Camille Fassett in Oakland,
California, contributed to this report.


Left: Workers put up fences in front of the East Block building around
parked trucks and demonstrators, as protests against coronavirus disease
(COVID-19) vaccine mandates continue, during early morning rain in
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, Feb. 17, 2022. Photo by Shannon Stapleton/
REUTERS 

Related

      * Busiest U.S.-Canada border crossing re-opens but protests
        continue in Ottawa 
        
        By Rob Gillies, Corey Williams, Associated Press
        
      * Canada border blockade clearing peacefully as police move in 
        
        By Associated Press
        
      * U.S. urges Canada to use federal powers to end bridge blockade 
        
        By Rob Gillies, Mike Householder, Aamer Madhani, Ben Fox, Amanda
        Seitz, Tom Krishner, Associated Press
        

Go Deeper

      * canada
      * ottawa
      * trucker protest
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Richard Lardner, Associated Press 


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Michelle R. Smith, Associated Press 


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Ali Swenson, Associated Press 


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From cwsiv at juno.com  Mon Mar  7 09:34:43 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2022 08:34:43 -0800
Subject: [Rushtalk] George W. Bush Sends Maximum Cash Donations to Embattled
 Republicans Who Voted to Impeach Trump
Message-ID: <1646670883.19191.8.camel@linux-7k5b.site>

Read My Lips no more Bushes in the Whitehouse -- CWSIV



George W. Bush Sends Maximum Cash Donations to Embattled Republicans Who
Voted to Impeach Trump


 By Richard Moorhead  February 1, 2022  



Former President George W. Bush is opening his checkbook for two
Republicans known for their staunch opposition to former President
Donald Trump.

Bush is listed in campaign finance data as a donor for Liz Cheney, a
Wyoming congresswoman who voted in favor of the second impeachment
effort targeting Trump and who frequently deplores his influence on the
Republican Party. Cheney is the daughter of Dick Cheney, Bush?s vice
president.

Bush also recently contributed to Alaska Sen. Lisa Murkowski, who
supported the second impeachment effort as well.

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Campaign finance data published by the Federal Election Commission on
Monday reveals Bush donated $5,800 to Cheney at the end of 2021, the
maximum individual contribution, according to Politico.

Bush donated $2,900 ? the maximum donation in a Senate primary election
? to Murkowski.
 

The establishment political heir had never donated previously to
Murkowski, suggesting that the Alaska senator?s anti-Trump stance may
have seized his attention.

Murkowski is considered one of the most liberal Republican senators in
Washington, having previously voted against the confirmation of
now-Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, a nominee of Trump.

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Trump has endorsed Murkowski?s challenger in Alaska?s Republican
primary, former state Commissioner Kelly Tshibaka.

Murkowski ? who has lost a state Republican primary before, only to run
as an independent candidate ? has faced a censure from the Alaska
Republican Party, which finally lost patience with the senator after she
supported the second effort to remove Trump from office.
 


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free of charge. You may opt out at anytime. You also agree to our
Privacy Policy and Terms of Use. 
Cheney herself also faces a serious primary challenge from
Trump-endorsed candidate Harriet Hageman, with polls indicating that
Cheney trails considerably.

In spite of polling showing Cheney?s unpopularity in Wyoming, she?s
out-fundraised her opponent, with D.C. and coastal political elites
providing the rogue Republican with millions in cash and propping up
what some conservatives have called a form of controlled opposition
within the GOP.

Cheney fundraised more than $1.9 million in the last quarter of 2021,
Politico reported.
 


Murkowski has attracted attention from big-money donors as well,
finishing 2021 with more than $4.2 million on hand.

Already a black sheep among House Republicans, Cheney has further
distanced herself from conservatives by participating in House Speaker
Nancy Pelosi?s Jan. 6 committee. 

Bush departed office as one of the most unpopular presidents in American
history, with critics on both the left and the right pointing to his
belligerent foreign policy and the collapse of the American financial
system at the end of his presidency.

The 43rd president routinely claims he?s retired from politics and
uninterested in fame, only to surface with pro-establishment statements
and rhetoric every few months.

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Bush appeared to target American citizens in a 9/11 commemoration speech
last year, likening those he deemed ?extremists? to al-Qaida terrorists.
 

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From quaylejohn at aol.com  Mon Mar  7 09:40:33 2022
From: quaylejohn at aol.com (John  A. Quayle)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2022 16:40:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] George W. Bush Sends Maximum Cash Donations to
 Embattled Republicans Who Voted to Impeach Trump
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 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? I agree completely! 
 
 
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Subject: [Rushtalk] George W. Bush Sends Maximum Cash Donations to Embattled Republicans Who Voted to Impeach Trump

 Read My Lips no more Bushes in the Whitehouse -- CWSIV




George W. Bush Sends Maximum Cash Donations to Embattled Republicans Who Voted to Impeach Trump
 By Richard Moorhead? February 1, 2022? 


Former President George W. Bush is opening his checkbook for two Republicans known for their staunch opposition to former President Donald Trump.

Bush is listed in campaign finance data as a donor for Liz Cheney, a Wyoming congresswoman who voted in favor of the second impeachment effort targeting Trump and who frequently deplores his influence on the Republican Party. Cheney is the daughter of Dick Cheney, Bush?s vice president.

Bush also recently contributed to Alaska Sen. Lisa Murkowski, who supported the second impeachment effort as well.

Advertisement - story continues below
Campaign finance data published by the Federal Election Commission on Monday reveals Bush donated $5,800 to Cheney at the end of 2021, the maximum individual contribution, according to Politico.

Bush donated $2,900 ? the maximum donation in a Senate primary election ? to Murkowski.
 
The establishment political heir had never donated previously to Murkowski, suggesting that the Alaska senator?s anti-Trump stance may have seized his attention.

Murkowski is considered one of the most liberal Republican senators in Washington, having previously voted against the confirmation of now-Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, a nominee of Trump.

Advertisement - story continues below
Trump has endorsed Murkowski?s challenger in Alaska?s Republican primary, former state Commissioner Kelly Tshibaka.

Murkowski ? who has lost a state Republican primary before, only to run as an independent candidate ? has faced a censure from the Alaska Republican Party, which finally lost patience with the senator after she supported the second effort to remove Trump from office.
 

Completing this poll entitles you to The Western Journal news updates free of charge. You may opt out at anytime. You also agree to our Privacy Policy and Terms of Use. Cheney herself also faces a serious primary challenge from Trump-endorsed candidate Harriet Hageman, with polls indicating that Cheney trails considerably.

In spite of polling showing Cheney?s unpopularity in Wyoming, she?s out-fundraised her opponent, with D.C. and coastal political elites providing the rogue Republican with millions in cash and propping up what some conservatives have called a form of controlled opposition within the GOP.

Cheney fundraised more than $1.9 million in the last quarter of 2021, Politico reported.
 

Murkowski has attracted attention from big-money donors as well, finishing 2021 with more than $4.2 million on hand.

Already a black sheep among House Republicans, Cheney has further distanced herself from conservatives by participating in House Speaker Nancy Pelosi?s Jan. 6 committee. 
Bush departed office as one of the most unpopular presidents in American history, with critics on both the left and the right pointing to his belligerent foreign policy and the collapse of the American financial system at the end of his presidency.

The 43rd president routinely claims he?s retired from politics and uninterested in fame, only to surface with pro-establishment statements and rhetoric every few months.

Advertisement - story continues below
Bush appeared to target American citizens in a 9/11 commemoration speech last year, likening those he deemed ?extremists? to al-Qaida terrorists.
 
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From cwsiv at juno.com  Mon Mar  7 09:40:53 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2022 08:40:53 -0800
Subject: [Rushtalk] 'A Dictator': Euro MP Condemns Trudeau Government's
 Protest Crackdown
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'A Dictator': Euro MP Condemns Trudeau Government's Protest Crackdown


 By Cullen McCue   

Cristian Terhe? of Romania, who currently serves as a member of the
European Parliament, condemned Justin Trudeau and his government?s
brutal protest crackdown during a speech on Sunday. ?The prime minister
of Canada, the way he?s behaving right now ? he?s exactly like a tyrant,
like a dictator. He?s like Ceau?escu in Romania,? Terhe? said. His
remarks come after Ottawa police arrested over 100 Freedom Convoy
demonstrators ? who have remained entirely peaceful ? in a violent
crackdown over the weekend.

?If you raise doubts about the vaccines, you?re outcasted. What?s the
difference between what he does and what happened under The
Inquisition?? Terhe? said of Trudeau. The MEP compared Trudeau to a
recent dictator from his native Romania, Nicolae Ceau?escu, whose
communist government was toppled in 1989.


        "He's exactly like a tyrant, a dictator. He's like Ceau?escu in
        Romania," Romanian MEP @CristianTerhes slams PM Trudeau for his
        rhetoric on vaccines and his handling of the freedom convoy in
        Ottawa. #cdnpoli pic.twitter.com/7B6xbBTrVU
        
        ? True North (@TrueNorthCentre) February 20, 2022

 
Terhe? also said he has established relationships with Freedom Convoy
demonstrators and hopes their movement continues to gain global support.
?I hope this movement for freedom and for rights is spreading all around
the world,? he said. ?Because at the end of the day, we have to make
sure that those elected officials understand that they were elected into
those offices for the people. Not to behave like masters of slaves.?

Following up on his ?dictator? remarks, Terhe? later called for the
international community to condemn Trudeau?s actions in a statement to
Breitbart. ?Justin Trudeau and his federal government must be isolated
by the democratic international community to show revulsion at his
tyrannical actions in Canada against peaceful protesters, who have been
trampled under horse hoof as children have been batoned by federal
security agents,? Terhe? told Breitbart London.
 

Last week, Trudeau invoked Canada?s Emergencies Act for the first time
in the nation?s history. Over 100 protesters have been charged,
including protest leaders, who could be facing several years in prison.
Despite no documented violence coming from the convoy protesters, and a
video statement in which protest leaders expressly called for
non-violent demonstrations, organizer Chris Barber?s bond was set at
$100,000.

Massive protests against Trudeau?s government later broke out across
Canada and continued Sunday. Fueled by opposition to Trudeau?s emergency
edicts, thousands of protesters turned out in Calgary, Toronto and other
Canadian cities. Additionally, the Canadian Civil Liberties Association
have announced their intention to sue the Canadian federal government
over Trudeau?s Emergencies Act declaration.
 

Cullen McCue
SummaryRecentContact 
Cullen McCue is a 24-years-old conservative who was born in Havertown,
PA and now live in Philadelphia. He started Reality Circuit in August,
2017, which provides an alternative to left-wing sports outlets.


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From cwsiv at juno.com  Mon Mar  7 09:41:57 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2022 08:41:57 -0800
Subject: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau Regime's
 Brutal Crackdown Continues
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Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau Regime's Brutal Crackdown
Continues


 By Cullen McCue  


Over 100 demonstrators were arrested on Friday after the Ottawa police
service began to dismantle the Freedom Convoy protests. Some protesters
were trampled by mounted police, including a handicapped elderly woman,
as riot cops advanced with support from armored vehicles and SWAT units.
Protesters remain camped outside Canadian federal buildings as of Friday
night, though Ottawa police have managed to significantly tighten the
perimeter.

Snipers were posted atop Ottawa buildings as hundreds of police officers
in riot gear began to surround Freedom Convoy protesters on Friday
morning. The police then began to close the perimeter around the
protesters, making arrests as they advanced. At one point, an
incapacitated man was kneed in the stomach by an Ottawa police officer
before being thrown on the ground and arrested. Ottawa police also
smashed truck windows and raided mobile homes with tactical units.
 

Ottawa Police have also reported that over 20 rigs have been towed away
from downtown Ottawa. After initially struggling to find willing tow
truck drivers, police brought in unmarked trucks to move the rigs. Tow
trucks with blacked out company insignias and no license plates could be
seen towing rigs away in a video captured by Reuters. The drivers of the
trucks also donned ski masks in order to conceal their identities.
 

In another incident, an elderly woman on a mobile scooter was trampled
by mounted police who plowed through a crowd of demonstrators. ?We are
peaceful protest,? the woman can be heard saying in a mobile phone
video. Seconds later, a group of mounted police plowed through the
crowd, trampling both the handicapped woman and another protester, whose
head appeared to have been stomped on by a horse. Riot police then
rushed forward and surrounded the trampled protesters. 


The Ottawa Police service have claimed that a bicycle was thrown at the
mounted police officers who ended up trampling the unnamed woman. ?We?re
unaware of any injuries. A bicycle was thrown at the horse further down
the line and caused the horse to trip. The horse was uninjured,? the
department said in a statement.

In a widely circulated aerial photo of the incident, the trampled
woman?s mobile scooter can clearly be seen on the ground. It is unclear
whether this is the ?bicycle? referenced by the Ottawa Police Service.
It is also unlikely that the trampled protesters were able to walk away,
as police immediately pushed forward and surrounded them.

The brutal crackdown comes just a day after Freedom Convoy protest
organizers Tamara Lich and Chris Barber were arrested in downtown
Ottawa. Other protest leaders were later arrested on Friday while Lich
and Barber have been charged with ?conspiracy to commit mischief?, which
is a serious offence in Canada that could lead to multiple years in
prison. Barber?s bond was set at $100,000 while Lich has a bail hearing
scheduled for Saturday morning.
 

The protesters have remained entirely peaceful despite a litany of
baseless claims from the Trudeau regime. Trudeau has repeatedly accused
protesters of having ties to ?far-right groups? and ?white supremacy?
despite the protest?s aims being entirely tied to COVID restrictions and
vaccine mandates. Among Freedom Convoy demands are an end to vaccine
mandates, relief for businesses affected by COVID lockdowns and the
rehiring of workers who were fired as a result of vaccine mandates.

Trudeau has refused to meet with the protesters, however, and instead
invoked Canada?s Emergencies Act for the first time in the nation?s
history. The act gives the Trudeau regime sweeping powers, including the
ability to freeze bank accounts belonging to dissidents. Trudeau has
promised that his new powers will be ?time-limited.?


Cullen McCue
SummaryRecentContact 
Cullen McCue is a 24-years-old conservative who was born in Havertown,
PA and now live in Philadelphia. He started Reality Circuit in August,
2017, which provides an alternative to left-wing sports outlets.


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From quaylejohn at aol.com  Mon Mar  7 09:59:04 2022
From: quaylejohn at aol.com (John  A. Quayle)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2022 16:59:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau
 Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues
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 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? My son left Pittsburgh this morning at 7am, heading for Canada for business. He'll be back Wednesday. Can't wait to hear his assessment of the current situation up there. 
 
 
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Subject: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues

  

Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues
 By Cullen McCue? 


Over 100 demonstrators were arrested on Friday after the Ottawa police service began to dismantle the Freedom Convoy protests. Some protesters were trampled by mounted police, including a handicapped elderly woman, as riot cops advanced with support from armored vehicles and SWAT units. Protesters remain camped outside Canadian federal buildings as of Friday night, though Ottawa police have managed to significantly tighten the perimeter.
Snipers were posted atop Ottawa buildings as hundreds of police officers in riot gear began to surround Freedom Convoy protesters on Friday morning. The police then began to close the perimeter around the protesters, making arrests as they advanced. At one point, an incapacitated man was kneed in the stomach by an Ottawa police officer before being thrown on the ground and arrested.?Ottawa police also smashed truck windows and raided mobile homes with tactical units.
 
Ottawa Police have also reported that over 20 rigs have been towed away from downtown Ottawa. After initially struggling to find willing tow truck drivers, police brought in unmarked trucks to move the rigs. Tow trucks with blacked out company insignias and no license plates could be seen towing rigs away in a video captured by Reuters. The drivers of the trucks also donned ski masks in order to conceal their identities.
 
In another incident, an elderly woman on a mobile scooter was trampled by mounted police who plowed through a crowd of demonstrators. ?We are peaceful protest,? the woman can be heard saying in a mobile phone video. Seconds later, a group of mounted police plowed through the crowd, trampling both the handicapped woman and another protester, whose head appeared to have been stomped on by a horse. Riot police then rushed forward and surrounded the trampled protesters. 

The Ottawa Police service have claimed that a bicycle was thrown at the mounted police officers who ended up trampling the unnamed woman. ?We?re unaware of any injuries. A bicycle was thrown at the horse further down the line and caused the horse to trip. The horse was uninjured,? the department said in a statement.

In a widely circulated aerial photo of the incident, the trampled woman?s mobile scooter can clearly be seen on the ground. It is unclear whether this is the ?bicycle? referenced by the Ottawa Police Service. It is also unlikely that the trampled protesters were able to walk away, as police immediately pushed forward and surrounded them.

The brutal crackdown comes just a day after Freedom Convoy protest organizers Tamara Lich and Chris Barber were arrested in downtown Ottawa. Other protest leaders were later arrested on Friday while Lich and Barber have been charged with ?conspiracy to commit mischief?, which is a serious offence in Canada that could lead to multiple years in prison. Barber?s bond was set at $100,000 while Lich has a bail hearing scheduled for Saturday morning.
 
The protesters have remained entirely peaceful despite a litany of baseless claims from the Trudeau regime. Trudeau has repeatedly accused protesters of having ties to ?far-right groups? and ?white supremacy? despite the protest?s aims being entirely tied to COVID restrictions and vaccine mandates. Among Freedom Convoy demands are an end to vaccine mandates, relief for businesses affected by COVID lockdowns and the rehiring of workers who were fired as a result of vaccine mandates.

Trudeau has refused to meet with the protesters, however, and instead invoked Canada?s Emergencies Act for the first time in the nation?s history. The act gives the Trudeau regime sweeping powers, including the ability to freeze bank accounts belonging to dissidents. Trudeau has promised that his new powers will be ?time-limited.?


Cullen McCueSummaryRecentContact Cullen McCue is a 24-years-old conservative who was born in Havertown, PA and now live in Philadelphia. He started Reality Circuit in August, 2017, which provides an alternative to left-wing sports outlets.

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From cwsiv at juno.com  Tue Mar  8 08:32:21 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2022 07:32:21 -0800
Subject: [Rushtalk] President Trump goes off on Biden STOTU
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From stephen.frye at outlook.com  Tue Mar  8 09:54:28 2022
From: stephen.frye at outlook.com (Stephen Frye)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2022 16:54:28 +0000
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All of this rhetoric is totally counterproductive.  It accomplishes nothing other than the continued cultivation of division and polarization.  I keep hearing the debates and accusations on ?what would have happened under Trump?.  How stupid are we.  That?s a total waste of time.  It?s a total waste of time to sit around and whine about what anyone ?should? have done.  It?s too late for any of that.   There is only one direction left to look.  One question to answer.  To what lengths are we prepared to go to stop Russia?  If we are not prepared to do whatever it takes, then admit it. S as no if we are prepared, then make that fact crystal clear to Putin, and follow through.  These piss-any sanctions won?t do it - unless our goal is to goad Putin into provocation.  Damned cowardly, and very risky of human life.

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From quaylejohn at aol.com  Tue Mar  8 10:03:27 2022
From: quaylejohn at aol.com (John  A. Quayle)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2022 17:03:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] President Trump goes off on Biden STOTU
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 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Well, here's something you need to know. There are NO good guys in this conflict. Zelenskyy is a NWO stooge. Klaus Schwab, head of the World Economic Forum, was calling for a world war as far back as 2014, "in order to bring about global reset." Schwab famously sneered about the reset, "you will own nothing and be happy." 
 
 
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All of this rhetoric is totally counterproductive. ?It accomplishes nothing other than the continued cultivation of division and polarization. ?I keep hearing the debates and accusations on ?what would have happened under Trump?. ?How stupid are we. ?That?s a total waste of time. ?It?s a total waste of time to sit around and whine about what anyone ?should? have done. ?It?s too late for any of that. ? There is only one direction left to look. ?One question to answer. ?To what lengths are we prepared to go to stop Russia? ?If we are not prepared to do whatever it takes, then admit it. S as no if we are prepared, then make that fact crystal clear to Putin, and follow through. ?These piss-any sanctions won?t do it - unless our goal is to goad Putin into provocation. ?Damned cowardly, and very risky of human life.
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From dap1 at bellsouth.net  Tue Mar  8 10:07:30 2022
From: dap1 at bellsouth.net (Dennis Putnam)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2022 12:07:30 -0500
Subject: [Rushtalk] President Trump goes off on Biden STOTU
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The solution is very simple. Turn on the US oil spigots again and flood 
the world with oil. That will accomplish 4 things. It will create high 
paying jobs here, lower energy prices here and around the world, reduce 
European dependency on Russian oil (as it was when we were a net 
exporter of energy under Trump) and decimate Russia's economy so Putin 
will be unable to afford continuing a war with Ukraine.

Unfortunately the extreme left controlling the Dems prefer advancing the 
idiotic "New Green Deal" over lives and a potential nuclear end to 
civilization. Which makes me think, is world wide radiation considered 
pollution?

On 3/8/2022 11:54 AM, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
> All of this rhetoric is totally counterproductive. ?It accomplishes 
> nothing other than the continued cultivation of division and 
> polarization. ?I keep hearing the debates and accusations on ?what 
> would have happened under Trump?. ?How stupid are we. ?That?s a total 
> waste of time. ?It?s a total waste of time to sit around and whine 
> about what anyone ?should? have done. ?It?s too late for any of that. 
> ? There is only one direction left to look. ?One question to answer. 
> ?To what lengths are we prepared to go to stop Russia? ?If we are not 
> prepared to do whatever it takes, then admit it. S as no if we are 
> prepared, then make that fact crystal clear to Putin, and follow 
> through. ?These piss-any sanctions won?t do it - unless our goal is to 
> goad Putin into provocation. ?Damned cowardly, and very risky of human 
> life.
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From quaylejohn at aol.com  Tue Mar  8 10:09:23 2022
From: quaylejohn at aol.com (John  A. Quayle)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2022 17:09:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] President Trump goes off on Biden STOTU
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 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Dennis, that's just plain common sense, but it's not going to happen. Pelosi, Romney and Biden all have sons working for Barisma Energy in the Ukraine..................
 
 
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 The solution is very simple. Turn on the US oil spigots again and flood the world with oil. That will accomplish 4 things. It will create high paying jobs here, lower energy prices here and around the world, reduce European dependency on Russian oil (as it was when we were a net exporter of energy under Trump) and decimate Russia's economy so Putin will be unable to afford continuing a war with Ukraine.
 
 Unfortunately the extreme left controlling the Dems prefer advancing the idiotic "New Green Deal" over lives and a potential nuclear end to civilization. Which makes me think, is world wide radiation considered pollution?
 
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   All of this rhetoric is totally counterproductive. ?It accomplishes nothing other than the continued cultivation of division and polarization. ?I keep hearing the debates and accusations on ?what would have happened under Trump?. ?How stupid are we. ?That?s a total waste of time. ?It?s a total waste of time to sit around and whine about what anyone ?should? have done. ?It?s too late for any of that. ? There is only one direction left to look. ?One question to answer. ?To what lengths are we prepared to go to stop Russia? ?If we are not prepared to do whatever it takes, then admit it. S as no if we are prepared, then make that fact crystal clear to Putin, and follow through. ?These piss-any sanctions won?t do it - unless our goal is to goad Putin into provocation. ?Damned cowardly, and very risky of human life.   
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From quaylejohn at aol.com  Tue Mar  8 11:09:51 2022
From: quaylejohn at aol.com (John  A. Quayle)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2022 18:09:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] Interesting article on Trump
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Trump?s Virtues
Thomas D. Klingenstein

We are still in need of the qualities of great leadership.
Many leading Republicans and conservatives want someone other than Donald Trump to run for President in 2024. But this judgment requires an assessment of Trump?s vices and virtues in the context of our current political and cultural circumstances, as well as an assessment of other prospective Republican presidential candidates. Among the talked-about alternatives to Trump, I have not yet seen anyone who possesses either his virtues or his backbone. I am not suggesting that everyone make way for Trump; rather that it is too early to throw him overboard.
I regularly ask Republican politicians what they think of Donald Trump. The most frequent response is some version of, ?I like his policies but don?t like the rest of him.? But this formulation gets it almost backwards. Although Trump advanced many important policies, it is the ?rest of him? that contains the virtues that inspired a movement.
Trump was born for the current American crisis: the life and death struggle against the totalitarian enemy I call ?woke communism.? The ?woke comms? have seized every political, cultural, and economic center of power in the country from where they ruthlessly push their agenda. That agenda rests on the conviction that America is thoroughly bad (systemically racist) and must be destroyed. 

If there is one thing that patriotic Americans know about Trump it is that he, like them, is unequivocally pro-American and willing to fight to defend the American way of life. When Collin Kaepernick and his ilk knelt before the American flag, Trump called them ?sons of bitches.? As always, he was being forceful, authentic, and unmistakably clear.
Trump stood up for America every time he violated the strictures of political correctness. Trump has said over and over exactly what political correctness prohibits one from saying: ?We have our culture, it?s exceptional, and that?s the way we want to keep it.? Trump?s contempt for political correctness showed patriotic Americans that its ever-tightening grip could be loosened.? As Trump and his supporters know, political correctness cripples our ability to think clearly and act decisively.
Trump said Haiti is a ?shithole? and that Representative Maxine Waters has a low IQ. These were not racist lies but uncouth, politically incorrect observations that most people would agree with but not dare say. Most of us, conservatives no less than liberals, are reluctant to criticize black Americans for fear of being called a racist. Trump, on the other hand, is an equal opportunity criticizer. This is what we used to call ?colorblindness.?
Trump treated the woke media with the same contempt he treated political correctness, provoking their outrage and revealing their utter corruption. ? 

Trump made no apologies for America?s past. His unlimited confidence in America is, in this time of national doubt and self-loathing, just what the doctor ordered. Trump thinks America can vanquish all comers if we just put our mind to it and he is right.Trump is a man of action, guided by facts and common sense. He has no use for theories. He knows that slavish devotion to theory can lead to nonsensical beliefs; for instance, that children should be able to undergo ?gender conformation?; that police forces should be defunded; or that biological boys should be able to compete against girls in athletics.
Trump knows it is time to make a stand, and for that we need strong men. Weak men do anything to avoid admitting the hardest truths because they lack the resolve to do what truth demands from them. Trump is a manly man. In present times, when manhood is being stripped of its masculinity, traditional manhood, even when flawed, has much appeal.
Trump is also comfortable in his own skin, a prerequisite for independence and courage. Trump ripped apart people he thought were weak. Sometimes he went overboard, but his supporters forgave his excesses because strength is in such short supply. Trump plays to win. And he knows that in war reaching across the aisle is usually a sucker?s game.
A large part of Trump?s appeal was that he is a bona fide outsider who distrusted the expert class, which comprises so much of the ?swamp.? Although his own administration sometimes made it difficult for him to get done everything he promised, his supporters knew he was on their side and was trying his damnedest not to let them down. Culturally, Trump, fueled by Big Macs, understands, as does the outsourced American worker, that a cheap smartphone is not a replacement for a meaningful job and the life it supports. Trump also understands that what Americans of all races and creeds desire are stable communities, and the opportunity to raise their families in a culture that values industriousness, self-reliance, patriotism, and freedom.
Trump revealed?not ?caused??the divide in this country. He awakened the public to the dangers of woke communism and, as good leaders do, gave his supporters the breathing room to voice their discontents. This may have been his most important achievement, made possible by qualities independent of policy. You cannot win a war unless you know you are in one.
This enumeration of Trump?s virtues does not fully capture his uncommon courage and firmness of purpose. Trump is the most towering political figure in living memory. He has, like it or not, defined the politics of our age. In 2016 and 2020 he was the political leader most fit for war-like circumstances. Yes, he has vices; even so, we should pause before we move on to someone else.If Republicans do choose another candidate, they must do so in full confidence that he will embody Trump?s virtues. If not Trump himself, his positive qualities must be the standard by which we judge other candidates.Thomas D. Klingensteinis a principal in the investment firm of Cohen, Klingenstein, LLC and the chairman of the Board of Directors of the Claremont Institute. at tomklingenstein





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From quaylejohn at aol.com  Tue Mar  8 11:14:41 2022
From: quaylejohn at aol.com (John  A. Quayle)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2022 18:14:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] Who's Laughing Now?
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From stephen.frye at outlook.com  Tue Mar  8 12:03:36 2022
From: stephen.frye at outlook.com (Stephen Frye)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2022 19:03:36 +0000
Subject: [Rushtalk] President Trump goes off on Biden STOTU
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And I believe that if we push Putin into that corner we will indeed trigger a nuclear response.  He isn?t going to back down.  Should that ever happen, the oil spigot won?t mean a damned thing.  We?ll be able to point the finger of blame at Putin for starting it, but I doubt that will mean much.  Not even sure who will be left to point a finger, or who will even care.

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The solution is very simple. Turn on the US oil spigots again and flood the world with oil. That will accomplish 4 things. It will create high paying jobs here, lower energy prices here and around the world, reduce European dependency on Russian oil (as it was when we were a net exporter of energy under Trump) and decimate Russia's economy so Putin will be unable to afford continuing a war with Ukraine.

Unfortunately the extreme left controlling the Dems prefer advancing the idiotic "New Green Deal" over lives and a potential nuclear end to civilization. Which makes me think, is world wide radiation considered pollution?

On 3/8/2022 11:54 AM, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
All of this rhetoric is totally counterproductive.  It accomplishes nothing other than the continued cultivation of division and polarization.  I keep hearing the debates and accusations on ?what would have happened under Trump?.  How stupid are we.  That?s a total waste of time.  It?s a total waste of time to sit around and whine about what anyone ?should? have done.  It?s too late for any of that.   There is only one direction left to look.  One question to answer.  To what lengths are we prepared to go to stop Russia?  If we are not prepared to do whatever it takes, then admit it. S as no if we are prepared, then make that fact crystal clear to Putin, and follow through.  These piss-any sanctions won?t do it - unless our goal is to goad Putin into provocation.  Damned cowardly, and very risky of human life.

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From cwsiv at juno.com  Wed Mar  9 10:10:59 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2022 09:10:59 -0800
Subject: [Rushtalk] Trump vs Biden
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On Fri, 2022-03-04 at 10:44 -0800, Carl Spitzer {C Juno} via Rushtalk
wrote:

> Lets Go Brandon.



I have been told that in Los Angeles gas has already hit $7.




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From cwsiv at juno.com  Wed Mar  9 10:11:50 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2022 09:11:50 -0800
Subject: [Rushtalk] George W. Bush Sends Maximum Cash Donations to
 Embattled Republicans Who Voted to Impeach Trump
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On Mon, 2022-03-07 at 16:40 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
>                         I agree completely! 


With friends like the Bush family who needs enemies.



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From cwsiv at juno.com  Wed Mar  9 10:14:03 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2022 09:14:03 -0800
Subject: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau
 Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues
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On Mon, 2022-03-07 at 16:59 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
> My son left Pittsburgh this morning at 7am, heading for Canada for
> business. He'll be back Wednesday. Can't wait to hear his assessment
> of the current situation up there. 


Have him join the list and write about it.  We know the liberal media
which dened the election theft has no credibility to report protests
honestly.
They are the ones promoting the Jan 6 BS.  If that had been and
insurrection the Never Trumpers and Democrats would have gone to the
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From cwsiv at juno.com  Wed Mar  9 10:16:50 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2022 09:16:50 -0800
Subject: [Rushtalk] President Trump goes off on Biden STOTU
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On Tue, 2022-03-08 at 16:54 +0000, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
> All of this rhetoric is totally counterproductive.  It accomplishes
> nothing other than the continued cultivation of division and
> polarization.  I keep hearing the debates and accusations on ?what
> would have happened under Trump?.  How stupid are we.  That?s a total
> waste of time.  It?s a total waste of time to sit around and whine
> about what anyone ?should? have done.  It?s too late for any of that.
> There is only one direction left to look.  One question to answer.  To
> what lengths are we prepared to go to stop Russia?  If we are not
> prepared to do whatever it takes, then admit it. S as no if we are
> prepared, then make that fact crystal clear to Putin, and follow
> through.  These piss-any sanctions won?t do it - unless our goal is to
> goad Putin into provocation.  Damned cowardly, and very risky of human
> life.


The nation is polorized now and forever and divided free and would be
masters and owners of slaves.  We will either get Trump back or have a
civil war with great blood letting richly merited and deserved, unless
GOD takess things in hand like Sodom and Gamorra.   Russia is a
distraction leave them alone perhaps the European nations will learn to
be respectful and grateful for American blood and treasure wasted upon
them during the cold war.





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From cwsiv at juno.com  Wed Mar  9 10:17:54 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2022 09:17:54 -0800
Subject: [Rushtalk] President Trump goes off on Biden STOTU
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On Tue, 2022-03-08 at 17:03 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
> Well, here's something you need to know. There are NO good guys in
> this conflict. Zelenskyy is a NWO stooge. Klaus Schwab, head of the
> World Economic Forum, was calling for a world war as far back as 2014,
> "in order to bring about global reset." Schwab famously sneered about
> the reset, "you will own nothing and be happy." 



Could this be Putin's way of telling the globalists screw you Russia
will remain free?




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From cwsiv at juno.com  Wed Mar  9 10:20:22 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2022 09:20:22 -0800
Subject: [Rushtalk] President Trump goes off on Biden STOTU
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On Tue, 2022-03-08 at 12:07 -0500, Dennis Putnam via Rushtalk wrote:
> The solution is very simple. Turn on the US oil spigots again and
> flood the world with oil. That will accomplish 4 things. It will
> create high paying jobs here, lower energy prices here and around the
> world, reduce European dependency on Russian oil (as it was when we
> were a net exporter of energy under Trump) and decimate Russia's
> economy so Putin will be unable to afford continuing a war with
> Ukraine.
> 
> Unfortunately the extreme left controlling the Dems prefer advancing
> the idiotic "New Green Deal" over lives and a potential nuclear end to
> civilization. Which makes me think, is world wide radiation considered
> pollution?



For that to happen Democrats would have to give up their various anti
Christ religions like Marxism, EnvironMENTALism, Political Correctness
etc.

I do not foresee a way to make that happen apart from divine
intervention.





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From quaylejohn at aol.com  Wed Mar  9 11:39:36 2022
From: quaylejohn at aol.com (John  A. Quayle)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2022 18:39:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] Trump vs Biden
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 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Stephen Colbert foolishly showed how out of touch he and his fellow libtards are. He said, "I don't care if I pay $15/gallon for gasoline. I drive a Tesla!"? 
??? ??? ??? 
??? ??? ??? IDIOT!
 
 
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 On Fri, 2022-03-04 at 10:44 -0800, Carl Spitzer {C Juno} via Rushtalk wrote:

 Lets Go Brandon.



I have been told that in Los Angeles gas has already hit $7.





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From quaylejohn at aol.com  Wed Mar  9 11:41:09 2022
From: quaylejohn at aol.com (John  A. Quayle)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2022 18:41:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau
 Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues
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 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? He'd never join the list. He's burned out on politics from living under my roof for the first 26 years of his life. 
 
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Sent: Wed, Mar 9, 2022 12:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues

 On Mon, 2022-03-07 at 16:59 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
 My son left Pittsburgh this morning at 7am, heading for Canada for business. He'll be back Wednesday. Can't wait to hear his assessment of the current situation up there. 


Have him join the list and write about it.? We know the liberal media which dened the election theft has no credibility to report protests honestly.
They are the ones promoting the Jan 6 BS.? If that had been and insurrection the Never Trumpers and Democrats would have gone to the wall.






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From quaylejohn at aol.com  Wed Mar  9 11:44:57 2022
From: quaylejohn at aol.com (John  A. Quayle)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2022 18:44:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] President Trump goes off on Biden STOTU
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 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Love Putin or hate him, that's what I get out of this conflict................ 
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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] President Trump goes off on Biden STOTU

 On Tue, 2022-03-08 at 17:03 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
 Well, here's something you need to know. There are NO good guys in this conflict. Zelenskyy is a NWO stooge. Klaus Schwab, head of the World Economic Forum, was calling for a world war as far back as 2014, "in order to bring about global reset." Schwab famously sneered about the reset, "you will own nothing and be happy." 



Could this be Putin's way of telling the globalists screw you Russia will remain free?





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From stephen.frye at outlook.com  Wed Mar  9 12:12:01 2022
From: stephen.frye at outlook.com (Stephen Frye)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2022 19:12:01 +0000
Subject: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau
 Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues
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Poop.  I passed burned out a long time ago.  I lingered for quite a while in the disgusted area.  Now I am at the point where I simply don?t know what the answer is.  The political spectrum, all over the world, is so corrupt.  And I believe that?s natural and expected;  people get power, and I firmly subscribe to ?power corrupts?.  Crime is rampant all over the world.  Wife and I cruised a lot, and there were constant warNings about crime at various points of call.  Everybody has their anecdotal answers for given situations, but I find that most of those answers solely address symptoms of much deeper issues.  I hear, read about Christianity, love our brother, etc.  etc.  I see about 99.999999% of all of that as lip service. We?re in this game for ourselves, all 7 billion of us.  And that?s collapsing all over the world. We are all masters at pointing fingers and assigning blame to someone else.  Little, if anything, is ever our own fault - from our leaders on down.  I posted this before, but it is a question that plagues me: if we really, truly, with all of our being believed that this life is a proving ground for eternity, wouldn?t we spend every second trying endure our destiny, rather than trying to find any and every excuse to get by with the bare minimum?  I?d think we would want to score as many brownie points as we could rather than rationalize why we don?t have to.  Everywhere I look I see God used far more as a weapon against others than as an inviting, loving father/savior figure.  How many of us can instantly zero in on some verse in Holy Scripture to justify hatred, killing, war?  It?s frustrating because I don?t see an answer.  No one is willing to compromise. No one is willing, in good faith, to invite discussion.  We all entertain the notion, as long as it goes our way.  I don?t know.  I wish I did.  My only prayer is ?God help us all.?  We need it.

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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues

                        He'd never join the list. He's burned out on politics from living under my roof for the first 26 years of his life.

-----Original Message-----
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To: rushtalk at csdco.com
Cc: Carl Spitzer {C Juno} <cwsiv at juno.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 9, 2022 12:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues

On Mon, 2022-03-07 at 16:59 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
My son left Pittsburgh this morning at 7am, heading for Canada for business. He'll be back Wednesday. Can't wait to hear his assessment of the current situation up there.

Have him join the list and write about it.  We know the liberal media which dened the election theft has no credibility to report protests honestly.
They are the ones promoting the Jan 6 BS.  If that had been and insurrection the Never Trumpers and Democrats would have gone to the wall.






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From dap1 at bellsouth.net  Wed Mar  9 12:18:37 2022
From: dap1 at bellsouth.net (Dennis Putnam)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2022 14:18:37 -0500
Subject: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau
 Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues
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Perhaps God is testing us all in preparation for the Rapture.

On 3/9/2022 2:12 PM, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
> Poop. ?I passed burned out a long time ago. ?I lingered for quite a 
> while in the disgusted area. ?Now I am at the point where I simply 
> don?t know what the answer is. ?The political spectrum, all over the 
> world, is so corrupt. ?And I believe that?s natural and expected; 
> ?people get power, and I firmly subscribe to ?power corrupts?. ?Crime 
> is rampant all over the world. ?Wife and I cruised a lot, and there 
> were constant warNings about crime at various points of call. 
> ?Everybody has their anecdotal answers for given situations, but I 
> find that most of those answers solely address symptoms of much deeper 
> issues. ?I hear, read about Christianity, love our brother, etc. ?etc. 
> ?I see about 99.999999% of all of that as lip service. We?re in this 
> game for ourselves, all 7 billion of us. ?And that?s collapsing all 
> over the world. We are all masters at pointing fingers and assigning 
> blame to someone else. ?Little, if anything, is ever our own fault - 
> from our leaders on down. ?I posted this before, but it is a question 
> that plagues me: if we really, truly, with all of our being believed 
> that this life is a proving ground for eternity, wouldn?t we spend 
> every second trying endure our destiny, rather than trying to find any 
> and every excuse to get by with the bare minimum? ?I?d think we would 
> want to score as many brownie points as we could rather than 
> rationalize why we don?t have to. ?Everywhere I look I see God used 
> far more as a weapon against others than as an inviting, loving 
> father/savior figure. ?How many of us can instantly zero in on some 
> verse in Holy Scripture to justify hatred, killing, war? ?It?s 
> frustrating because I don?t see an answer. ?No one is willing to 
> compromise. No one is willing, in good faith, to invite discussion. 
> ?We all entertain the notion, as long as it goes our way. ?I don?t 
> know. ?I wish I did. ?My only prayer is ?God help us all.? ?We need it.
>
> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
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> Quayle via Rushtalk <rushtalk at csdco.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 9, 2022 10:41:09 AM
> *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com <rushtalk at csdco.com>
> *Cc:* John A. Quayle <quaylejohn at aol.com>; cwsiv at juno.com <cwsiv at juno.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau 
> Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues
> He'd never join the list. He's burned out on politics from living 
> under my roof for the first 26 years of his life.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carl Spitzer {C Juno} via Rushtalk <rushtalk at csdco.com>
> To: rushtalk at csdco.com
> Cc: Carl Spitzer {C Juno} <cwsiv at juno.com>
> Sent: Wed, Mar 9, 2022 12:14 pm
> Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau 
> Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues
>
> On Mon, 2022-03-07 at 16:59 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
>> My son left Pittsburgh this morning at 7am, heading for Canada for 
>> business. He'll be back Wednesday. Can't wait to hear his assessment 
>> of the current situation up there.
>
> Have him join the list and write about it.? We know the liberal media 
> which dened the election theft has no credibility to report protests 
> honestly.
> They are the ones promoting the Jan 6 BS.? If that had been and 
> insurrection the Never Trumpers and Democrats would have gone to the wall.
>
>
>
>
>
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From stephen.frye at outlook.com  Wed Mar  9 14:08:17 2022
From: stephen.frye at outlook.com (Stephen Frye)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2022 21:08:17 +0000
Subject: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau
 Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues
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Well, (no sarcasm), I don?t believe in the rapture.  Then again, what I mostly believe is that I really have no idea what lies ahead.  Over the years I have so many things that different experts *know* are true, yet none of them agree.  All throughout history experts have believed the Apocalypse was upon them.  After the ascension, the experts believed He was coming back any day.  Me?  I?m very certain I?ll die.  If the whole God thing and eternity aren?t real I wii be very pissed.  Judgement?  Well, I *believe* I know what I?ll br asked, but none of us can know for sure.  Personally I believe that the whole life cycle starting billions of years ago is an experiment.  I choose that word carefully - over test.  To me, test implies some expectation of failure.  On the series ?Lucifer?, he explains judgement and the possibility of damnation very profoundly.  I look around, and I ask myself - ? how much possible knowledge is there in the universe??  I ask myself - ?how much of all of that possible knowledge do we really command?? And my final question to myself - ?how much of that possible knowledge do we think we really command??  I know this all off track from the initial thread, but I remember the episode of Star Trek - Space Seed, where Spock said that superior intellect breeds superior ambition.  The quest for power.  Unquenchable.  Does any leader ever believe he or she has enough?  To what lengths will one go to acquire it?  Other than ants, we?re the singular species that makes organized war.  As a species we are willing and ready to go to any length to get what we want - and have the audacity to do it God?s name claiming that God is on our side.  God doesn?t need the Rapture.  We?ll wipe ourselves out.

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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues

Perhaps God is testing us all in preparation for the Rapture.

On 3/9/2022 2:12 PM, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
Poop.  I passed burned out a long time ago.  I lingered for quite a while in the disgusted area.  Now I am at the point where I simply don?t know what the answer is.  The political spectrum, all over the world, is so corrupt.  And I believe that?s natural and expected;  people get power, and I firmly subscribe to ?power corrupts?.  Crime is rampant all over the world.  Wife and I cruised a lot, and there were constant warNings about crime at various points of call.  Everybody has their anecdotal answers for given situations, but I find that most of those answers solely address symptoms of much deeper issues.  I hear, read about Christianity, love our brother, etc.  etc.  I see about 99.999999% of all of that as lip service. We?re in this game for ourselves, all 7 billion of us.  And that?s collapsing all over the world. We are all masters at pointing fingers and assigning blame to someone else.  Little, if anything, is ever our own fault - from our leaders on down.  I posted this before, but it is a question that plagues me: if we really, truly, with all of our being believed that this life is a proving ground for eternity, wouldn?t we spend every second trying endure our destiny, rather than trying to find any and every excuse to get by with the bare minimum?  I?d think we would want to score as many brownie points as we could rather than rationalize why we don?t have to.  Everywhere I look I see God used far more as a weapon against others than as an inviting, loving father/savior figure.  How many of us can instantly zero in on some verse in Holy Scripture to justify hatred, killing, war?  It?s frustrating because I don?t see an answer.  No one is willing to compromise. No one is willing, in good faith, to invite discussion.  We all entertain the notion, as long as it goes our way.  I don?t know.  I wish I did.  My only prayer is ?God help us all.?  We need it.

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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues

                        He'd never join the list. He's burned out on politics from living under my roof for the first 26 years of his life.

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Sent: Wed, Mar 9, 2022 12:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues

On Mon, 2022-03-07 at 16:59 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
My son left Pittsburgh this morning at 7am, heading for Canada for business. He'll be back Wednesday. Can't wait to hear his assessment of the current situation up there.

Have him join the list and write about it.  We know the liberal media which dened the election theft has no credibility to report protests honestly.
They are the ones promoting the Jan 6 BS.  If that had been and insurrection the Never Trumpers and Democrats would have gone to the wall.






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From quaylejohn at aol.com  Wed Mar  9 20:00:04 2022
From: quaylejohn at aol.com (John  A. Quayle)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 03:00:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau
 Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues
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 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Dennis may have a point........there seems to be a wealth of "warning" videos popping up on YouTube from "visionaries" - Julie Green and Robin Bullock, just to name but two. When one sees what's happening, it's difficult not to see that we're in the "Last Days" spoken of in Revelations...................
 
 
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 Perhaps God is testing us all in preparation for the Rapture.
 
 On 3/9/2022 2:12 PM, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
  
 
   Poop. ?I passed burned out a long time ago. ?I lingered for quite a while in the disgusted area. ?Now I am at the point where I simply don?t know what the answer is. ?The political spectrum, all over the world, is so corrupt. ?And I believe that?s natural and expected; ?people get power, and I firmly subscribe to ?power corrupts?. ?Crime is rampant all over the world. ?Wife and I cruised a lot, and there were constant warNings about crime at various points of call. ?Everybody has their anecdotal answers for given situations, but I find that most of those answers solely address symptoms of much deeper issues. ?I hear, read about Christianity, love our brother, etc. ?etc. ?I see about 99.999999% of all of that as lip service. We?re in this game for ourselves, all 7 billion of us. ?And that?s collapsing all over the world. We are all masters at pointing fingers and assigning blame to someone else. ?Little, if anything, is ever our own fault - from our leaders on down. ?I posted this before, but it is a question that plagues me: if we really, truly, with all of our being believed that this life is a proving ground for eternity, wouldn?t we spend every second trying endure our destiny, rather than trying to find any and every excuse to get by with the bare minimum? ?I?d think we would want to score as many brownie points as we could rather than rationalize why we don?t have to. ?Everywhere I look I see God used far more as a weapon against others than as an inviting, loving father/savior figure. ?How many of us can instantly zero in on some verse in Holy Scripture to justify hatred, killing, war? ?It?s frustrating because I don?t see an answer. ?No one is willing to compromise. No one is willing, in good faith, to invite discussion. ?We all entertain the notion, as long as it goes our way. ?I don?t know. ?I wish I did. ?My only prayer is ?God help us all.? ?We need it.   
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 Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues ?    ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? He'd never join the list. He's burned out on politics from living under my roof for the first 26 years of his life. 
  
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  On Mon, 2022-03-07 at 16:59 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote: 
My son left Pittsburgh this morning at 7am, heading for Canada for business. He'll be back Wednesday. Can't wait to hear his assessment of the current situation up there. 
 
 
 Have him join the list and write about it.? We know the liberal media which dened the election theft has no credibility to report protests honestly.
 They are the ones promoting the Jan 6 BS.? If that had been and insurrection the Never Trumpers and Democrats would have gone to the wall.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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From stephen.frye at outlook.com  Thu Mar 10 09:50:18 2022
From: stephen.frye at outlook.com (Stephen Frye)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 16:50:18 +0000
Subject: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau
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People have been seeing the last days of Revelations for two thousand years.  The last days will come because we cause it, not God.  In that light, we could well be on our way, but not likely.  We have not yet begun to show our readiness and willingness to destroy ourselves.

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                        Dennis may have a point........there seems to be a wealth of "warning" videos popping up on YouTube from "visionaries" - Julie Green and Robin Bullock, just to name but two. When one sees what's happening, it's difficult not to see that we're in the "Last Days" spoken of in Revelations...................


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To: rushtalk at csdco.com
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Sent: Wed, Mar 9, 2022 2:18 pm
Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues

Perhaps God is testing us all in preparation for the Rapture.

On 3/9/2022 2:12 PM, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
Poop.  I passed burned out a long time ago.  I lingered for quite a while in the disgusted area.  Now I am at the point where I simply don?t know what the answer is.  The political spectrum, all over the world, is so corrupt.  And I believe that?s natural and expected;  people get power, and I firmly subscribe to ?power corrupts?.  Crime is rampant all over the world.  Wife and I cruised a lot, and there were constant warNings about crime at various points of call.  Everybody has their anecdotal answers for given situations, but I find that most of those answers solely address symptoms of much deeper issues.  I hear, read about Christianity, love our brother, etc.  etc.  I see about 99.999999% of all of that as lip service. We?re in this game for ourselves, all 7 billion of us.  And that?s collapsing all over the world. We are all masters at pointing fingers and assigning blame to someone else.  Little, if anything, is ever our own fault - from our leaders on down.  I posted this before, but it is a question that plagues me: if we really, truly, with all of our being believed that this life is a proving ground for eternity, wouldn?t we spend every second trying endure our destiny, rather than trying to find any and every excuse to get by with the bare minimum?  I?d think we would want to score as many brownie points as we could rather than rationalize why we don?t have to.  Everywhere I look I see God used far more as a weapon against others than as an inviting, loving father/savior figure.  How many of us can instantly zero in on some verse in Holy Scripture to justify hatred, killing, war?  It?s frustrating because I don?t see an answer.  No one is willing to compromise. No one is willing, in good faith, to invite discussion.  We all entertain the notion, as long as it goes our way.  I don?t know.  I wish I did.  My only prayer is ?God help us all.?  We need it.

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                        He'd never join the list. He's burned out on politics from living under my roof for the first 26 years of his life.

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On Mon, 2022-03-07 at 16:59 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
My son left Pittsburgh this morning at 7am, heading for Canada for business. He'll be back Wednesday. Can't wait to hear his assessment of the current situation up there.

Have him join the list and write about it.  We know the liberal media which dened the election theft has no credibility to report protests honestly.
They are the ones promoting the Jan 6 BS.  If that had been and insurrection the Never Trumpers and Democrats would have gone to the wall.






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From quaylejohn at aol.com  Thu Mar 10 11:24:27 2022
From: quaylejohn at aol.com (John  A. Quayle)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 18:24:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau
 Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues
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??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Tell me that you cannot see the predictions made in Revelations coming to fruition........................ 
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Sent: Thu, Mar 10, 2022 11:50 am
Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues

 People have been seeing the last days of Revelations for two thousand years. ?The last days will come because we cause it, not God. In that light, we could well be on our way, but not likely. We have not yet begun to show our readiness and willingness to destroy ourselves.
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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues???? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Dennis may have a point........there seems to be a wealth of "warning" videos popping up on YouTube from "visionaries" - Julie Green and Robin Bullock, just to name but two. When one sees what's happening, it's difficult not to see that we're in the "Last Days" spoken of in Revelations...................


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Sent: Wed, Mar 9, 2022 2:18 pm
Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues

Perhaps God is testing us all in preparation for the Rapture.

On 3/9/2022 2:12 PM, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:


Poop. ?I passed burned out a long time ago. ?I lingered for quite a while in the disgusted area. ?Now I am at the point where I simply don?t know what the answer is. ?The political spectrum, all over the world, is so corrupt. ?And I believe that?s natural and expected; ?people get power, and I firmly subscribe to ?power corrupts?. ?Crime is rampant all over the world. ?Wife and I cruised a lot, and there were constant warNings about crime at various points of call. ?Everybody has their anecdotal answers for given situations, but I find that most of those answers solely address symptoms of much deeper issues. ?I hear, read about Christianity, love our brother, etc. ?etc. ?I see about 99.999999% of all of that as lip service. We?re in this game for ourselves, all 7 billion of us. ?And that?s collapsing all over the world. We are all masters at pointing fingers and assigning blame to someone else. ?Little, if anything, is ever our own fault - from our leaders on down. ?I posted this before, but it is a question that plagues me: if we really, truly, with all of our being believed that this life is a proving ground for eternity, wouldn?t we spend every second trying endure our destiny, rather than trying to find any and every excuse to get by with the bare minimum? ?I?d think we would want to score as many brownie points as we could rather than rationalize why we don?t have to. ?Everywhere I look I see God used far more as a weapon against others than as an inviting, loving father/savior figure. ?How many of us can instantly zero in on some verse in Holy Scripture to justify hatred, killing, war? ?It?s frustrating because I don?t see an answer. ?No one is willing to compromise. No one is willing, in good faith, to invite discussion. ?We all entertain the notion, as long as it goes our way. ?I don?t know. ?I wish I did. ?My only prayer is ?God help us all.? ?We need it.
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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues???? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? He'd never join the list. He's burned out on politics from living under my roof for the first 26 years of his life. 

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Sent: Wed, Mar 9, 2022 12:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues

On Mon, 2022-03-07 at 16:59 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
My son left Pittsburgh this morning at 7am, heading for Canada for business. He'll be back Wednesday. Can't wait to hear his assessment of the current situation up there.


Have him join the list and write about it.? We know the liberal media which dened the election theft has no credibility to report protests honestly.
They are the ones promoting the Jan 6 BS.? If that had been and insurrection the Never Trumpers and Democrats would have gone to the wall.






| -- 
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From stephen.frye at outlook.com  Thu Mar 10 11:34:44 2022
From: stephen.frye at outlook.com (Stephen Frye)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 18:34:44 +0000
Subject: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau
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First of all, this is yet another example of someone trying to tell me to go by their religion.  More importantly, read more carefully what I wrote:  I neither confirmed nor denied anything.  All I wrote was that people have claimed to be witnessing the material as libation of Revelations for two thousand years.  They were as absolutely sure as you are.

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                        Tell me that you cannot see the predictions made in Revelations coming to fruition........................

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To: rushtalk at csdco.com <rushtalk at csdco.com>
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Sent: Thu, Mar 10, 2022 11:50 am
Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues

People have been seeing the last days of Revelations for two thousand years.  The last days will come because we cause it, not God. In that light, we could well be on our way, but not likely. We have not yet begun to show our readiness and willingness to destroy ourselves.

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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues

                        Dennis may have a point........there seems to be a wealth of "warning" videos popping up on YouTube from "visionaries" - Julie Green and Robin Bullock, just to name but two. When one sees what's happening, it's difficult not to see that we're in the "Last Days" spoken of in Revelations...................


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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues

Perhaps God is testing us all in preparation for the Rapture.

On 3/9/2022 2:12 PM, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
Poop.  I passed burned out a long time ago.  I lingered for quite a while in the disgusted area.  Now I am at the point where I simply don?t know what the answer is.  The political spectrum, all over the world, is so corrupt.  And I believe that?s natural and expected;  people get power, and I firmly subscribe to ?power corrupts?.  Crime is rampant all over the world.  Wife and I cruised a lot, and there were constant warNings about crime at various points of call.  Everybody has their anecdotal answers for given situations, but I find that most of those answers solely address symptoms of much deeper issues.  I hear, read about Christianity, love our brother, etc.  etc.  I see about 99.999999% of all of that as lip service. We?re in this game for ourselves, all 7 billion of us.  And that?s collapsing all over the world. We are all masters at pointing fingers and assigning blame to someone else.  Little, if anything, is ever our own fault - from our leaders on down.  I posted this before, but it is a question that plagues me: if we really, truly, with all of our being believed that this life is a proving ground for eternity, wouldn?t we spend every second trying endure our destiny, rather than trying to find any and every excuse to get by with the bare minimum?  I?d think we would want to score as many brownie points as we could rather than rationalize why we don?t have to.  Everywhere I look I see God used far more as a weapon against others than as an inviting, loving father/savior figure.  How many of us can instantly zero in on some verse in Holy Scripture to justify hatred, killing, war?  It?s frustrating because I don?t see an answer.  No one is willing to compromise. No one is willing, in good faith, to invite discussion.  We all entertain the notion, as long as it goes our way.  I don?t know.  I wish I did.  My only prayer is ?God help us all.?  We need it.

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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues

                        He'd never join the list. He's burned out on politics from living under my roof for the first 26 years of his life.

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On Mon, 2022-03-07 at 16:59 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
My son left Pittsburgh this morning at 7am, heading for Canada for business. He'll be back Wednesday. Can't wait to hear his assessment of the current situation up there.

Have him join the list and write about it.  We know the liberal media which dened the election theft has no credibility to report protests honestly.
They are the ones promoting the Jan 6 BS.  If that had been and insurrection the Never Trumpers and Democrats would have gone to the wall.






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From quaylejohn at aol.com  Thu Mar 10 11:49:08 2022
From: quaylejohn at aol.com (John  A. Quayle)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 18:49:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau
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??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Stephen, for petesakes, get rid of the chip on your shoulder! It's unbecoming! It's not MY religion anymore than it's yours. You still go to Mass on Sundays, do you not? I was just asking questions. I don't care whether you call yourself a Catholic, sit in a circle in your neighborhood - holding hands and singing "Kumbaya" or if you genuflect before trees........that's YOUR business. Yes, people have claimed to be witnessing the "End Times" for a very long time. That just points to the profound desire for Jesus' return. YouTube, of course, is awash in videos on revelations and for much of the same reason. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=revelations
 
 
 
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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues

First of all, this is yet another example of someone trying to tell me to go by their religion. More importantly, read more carefully what I wrote: I neither confirmed nor denied anything. All I wrote was that people have claimed to be witnessing the material as libation of Revelations for two thousand years. They were as absolutely sure as you are.
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People have been seeing the last days of Revelations for two thousand years. ?The last days will come because we cause it, not God. In that light, we could well be on our way, but not likely. We have not yet begun to show our readiness and willingness to destroy ourselves.
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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues

Perhaps God is testing us all in preparation for the Rapture.

On 3/9/2022 2:12 PM, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:


Poop. ?I passed burned out a long time ago. ?I lingered for quite a while in the disgusted area. ?Now I am at the point where I simply don?t know what the answer is. ?The political spectrum, all over the world, is so corrupt. ?And I believe that?s natural and expected; ?people get power, and I firmly subscribe to ?power corrupts?. ?Crime is rampant all over the world. ?Wife and I cruised a lot, and there were constant warNings about crime at various points of call. ?Everybody has their anecdotal answers for given situations, but I find that most of those answers solely address symptoms of much deeper issues. ?I hear, read about Christianity, love our brother, etc. ?etc. ?I see about 99.999999% of all of that as lip service. We?re in this game for ourselves, all 7 billion of us. ?And that?s collapsing all over the world. We are all masters at pointing fingers and assigning blame to someone else. ?Little, if anything, is ever our own fault - from our leaders on down. ?I posted this before, but it is a question that plagues me: if we really, truly, with all of our being believed that this life is a proving ground for eternity, wouldn?t we spend every second trying endure our destiny, rather than trying to find any and every excuse to get by with the bare minimum? ?I?d think we would want to score as many brownie points as we could rather than rationalize why we don?t have to. ?Everywhere I look I see God used far more as a weapon against others than as an inviting, loving father/savior figure. ?How many of us can instantly zero in on some verse in Holy Scripture to justify hatred, killing, war? ?It?s frustrating because I don?t see an answer. ?No one is willing to compromise. No one is willing, in good faith, to invite discussion. ?We all entertain the notion, as long as it goes our way. ?I don?t know. ?I wish I did. ?My only prayer is ?God help us all.? ?We need it.
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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues???? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? He'd never join the list. He's burned out on politics from living under my roof for the first 26 years of his life. 

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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues

On Mon, 2022-03-07 at 16:59 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
My son left Pittsburgh this morning at 7am, heading for Canada for business. He'll be back Wednesday. Can't wait to hear his assessment of the current situation up there.


Have him join the list and write about it.? We know the liberal media which dened the election theft has no credibility to report protests honestly.
They are the ones promoting the Jan 6 BS.? If that had been and insurrection the Never Trumpers and Democrats would have gone to the wall.






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From dap1 at bellsouth.net  Thu Mar 10 12:19:17 2022
From: dap1 at bellsouth.net (Dennis Putnam)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 14:19:17 -0500
Subject: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau
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Not me. I used the word "perhaps." Revelations says that we will really 
never know.

On 3/10/2022 1:34 PM, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
> First of all, this is yet another example of someone trying to tell me 
> to go by their religion. ?More importantly, read more carefully what I 
> wrote: ?I neither confirmed nor denied anything. ?All I wrote was that 
> people have claimed to be witnessing the material as libation of 
> Revelations for two thousand years. ?They were as absolutely sure as 
> you are.
>
> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* John A. Quayle <quaylejohn at aol.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2022 10:24:27 AM
> *To:* stephen.frye at outlook.com <stephen.frye at outlook.com>; 
> rushtalk at csdco.com <rushtalk at csdco.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau 
> Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues
> Tell me that you cannot see the predictions made in Revelations coming 
> to fruition........................
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Frye <stephen.frye at outlook.com>
> To: rushtalk at csdco.com <rushtalk at csdco.com>
> Cc: John A. Quayle <quaylejohn at aol.com>
> Sent: Thu, Mar 10, 2022 11:50 am
> Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau 
> Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues
>
> People have been seeing the last days of Revelations for two thousand 
> years. ?The last days will come because we cause it, not God. In that 
> light, we could well be on our way, but not likely. We have not yet 
> begun to show our readiness and willingness to destroy ourselves.
>
> Get Outlook for iOS 
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> Quayle via Rushtalk <rushtalk at csdco.com>
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> *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com <rushtalk at csdco.com>
> *Cc:* John A. Quayle <quaylejohn at aol.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau 
> Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues
> Dennis may have a point........there seems to be a wealth of "warning" 
> videos popping up on YouTube from "visionaries" - Julie Green and 
> Robin Bullock, just to name but two. When one sees what's happening, 
> it's difficult not to see that we're in the "Last Days" spoken of in 
> Revelations...................
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis Putnam via Rushtalk <rushtalk at csdco.com>
> To: rushtalk at csdco.com
> Cc: Dennis Putnam <dap1 at bellsouth.net>
> Sent: Wed, Mar 9, 2022 2:18 pm
> Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau 
> Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues
>
> Perhaps God is testing us all in preparation for the Rapture.
>
> On 3/9/2022 2:12 PM, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
> Poop. ?I passed burned out a long time ago. ?I lingered for quite a 
> while in the disgusted area. ?Now I am at the point where I simply 
> don?t know what the answer is. ?The political spectrum, all over the 
> world, is so corrupt. ?And I believe that?s natural and expected; 
> ?people get power, and I firmly subscribe to ?power corrupts?. ?Crime 
> is rampant all over the world. ?Wife and I cruised a lot, and there 
> were constant warNings about crime at various points of call. 
> ?Everybody has their anecdotal answers for given situations, but I 
> find that most of those answers solely address symptoms of much deeper 
> issues. ?I hear, read about Christianity, love our brother, etc. ?etc. 
> ?I see about 99.999999% of all of that as lip service. We?re in this 
> game for ourselves, all 7 billion of us. ?And that?s collapsing all 
> over the world. We are all masters at pointing fingers and assigning 
> blame to someone else. ?Little, if anything, is ever our own fault - 
> from our leaders on down. ?I posted this before, but it is a question 
> that plagues me: if we really, truly, with all of our being believed 
> that this life is a proving ground for eternity, wouldn?t we spend 
> every second trying endure our destiny, rather than trying to find any 
> and every excuse to get by with the bare minimum? ?I?d think we would 
> want to score as many brownie points as we could rather than 
> rationalize why we don?t have to. ?Everywhere I look I see God used 
> far more as a weapon against others than as an inviting, loving 
> father/savior figure. ?How many of us can instantly zero in on some 
> verse in Holy Scripture to justify hatred, killing, war? ?It?s 
> frustrating because I don?t see an answer. ?No one is willing to 
> compromise. No one is willing, in good faith, to invite discussion. 
> ?We all entertain the notion, as long as it goes our way. ?I don?t 
> know. ?I wish I did. ?My only prayer is ?God help us all.? ?We need it.
>
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> *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com> 
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> *Cc:* John A. Quayle <quaylejohn at aol.com> <mailto:quaylejohn at aol.com>; 
> cwsiv at juno.com <mailto:cwsiv at juno.com> <cwsiv at juno.com> 
> <mailto:cwsiv at juno.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau 
> Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues
> He'd never join the list. He's burned out on politics from living 
> under my roof for the first 26 years of his life.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carl Spitzer {C Juno} via Rushtalk <rushtalk at csdco.com> 
> <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
> To: rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
> Cc: Carl Spitzer {C Juno} <cwsiv at juno.com> <mailto:cwsiv at juno.com>
> Sent: Wed, Mar 9, 2022 12:14 pm
> Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau 
> Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues
>
> On Mon, 2022-03-07 at 16:59 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
>> My son left Pittsburgh this morning at 7am, heading for Canada for 
>> business. He'll be back Wednesday. Can't wait to hear his assessment 
>> of the current situation up there.
>
> Have him join the list and write about it.? We know the liberal media 
> which dened the election theft has no credibility to report protests 
> honestly.
> They are the ones promoting the Jan 6 BS.? If that had been and 
> insurrection the Never Trumpers and Democrats would have gone to the wall.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Carl? Spitzer
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From dap1 at bellsouth.net  Thu Mar 10 12:23:40 2022
From: dap1 at bellsouth.net (Dennis Putnam)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 14:23:40 -0500
Subject: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau
 Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues
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Time for everyone to take a deep breath. This is a discussion list not 
an argument list. I would submit that everything said here is (should 
be) academic. Nothing we say or do here is going to influence enough 
people to effect real world outcomes. This list is for intellectual 
exercise.

On 3/10/2022 1:49 PM, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
> Stephen, for petesakes, get rid of the chip on your shoulder! It's 
> unbecoming! It's not MY religion anymore than it's yours. You still go 
> to Mass on Sundays, do you not? I was just asking questions. I don't 
> care whether you call yourself a Catholic, sit in a circle in your 
> neighborhood - holding hands and singing "Kumbaya" or if you genuflect 
> before trees........that's YOUR business. Yes, people have claimed to 
> be witnessing the "End Times" for a very long time. That just points 
> to the profound desire for Jesus' return. YouTube, of course, is awash 
> in videos on revelations and for much of the same reason. 
> https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=revelations
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Frye <stephen.frye at outlook.com>
> To: John A. Quayle <quaylejohn at aol.com>; rushtalk at csdco.com 
> <rushtalk at csdco.com>
> Sent: Thu, Mar 10, 2022 1:34 pm
> Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau 
> Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues
>
> First of all, this is yet another example of someone trying to tell me 
> to go by their religion. More importantly, read more carefully what I 
> wrote: I neither confirmed nor denied anything. All I wrote was that 
> people have claimed to be witnessing the material as libation of 
> Revelations for two thousand years. They were as absolutely sure as 
> you are.
>
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> *From:* John A. Quayle <quaylejohn at aol.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2022 10:24:27 AM
> *To:* stephen.frye at outlook.com <stephen.frye at outlook.com>; 
> rushtalk at csdco.com <rushtalk at csdco.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau 
> Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues
> Tell me that you cannot see the predictions made in Revelations coming 
> to fruition........................
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Frye <stephen.frye at outlook.com>
> To: rushtalk at csdco.com <rushtalk at csdco.com>
> Cc: John A. Quayle <quaylejohn at aol.com>
> Sent: Thu, Mar 10, 2022 11:50 am
> Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau 
> Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues
>
> People have been seeing the last days of Revelations for two thousand 
> years. ?The last days will come because we cause it, not God. In that 
> light, we could well be on our way, but not likely. We have not yet 
> begun to show our readiness and willingness to destroy ourselves.
>
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> *From:* Rushtalk <rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com> on behalf of John A. 
> Quayle via Rushtalk <rushtalk at csdco.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 9, 2022 7:00:04 PM
> *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com <rushtalk at csdco.com>
> *Cc:* John A. Quayle <quaylejohn at aol.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau 
> Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues
> Dennis may have a point........there seems to be a wealth of "warning" 
> videos popping up on YouTube from "visionaries" - Julie Green and 
> Robin Bullock, just to name but two. When one sees what's happening, 
> it's difficult not to see that we're in the "Last Days" spoken of in 
> Revelations...................
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis Putnam via Rushtalk <rushtalk at csdco.com>
> To: rushtalk at csdco.com
> Cc: Dennis Putnam <dap1 at bellsouth.net>
> Sent: Wed, Mar 9, 2022 2:18 pm
> Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau 
> Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues
>
> Perhaps God is testing us all in preparation for the Rapture.
>
> On 3/9/2022 2:12 PM, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
> Poop. ?I passed burned out a long time ago. ?I lingered for quite a 
> while in the disgusted area. ?Now I am at the point where I simply 
> don?t know what the answer is. ?The political spectrum, all over the 
> world, is so corrupt. ?And I believe that?s natural and expected; 
> ?people get power, and I firmly subscribe to ?power corrupts?. ?Crime 
> is rampant all over the world. ?Wife and I cruised a lot, and there 
> were constant warNings about crime at various points of call. 
> ?Everybody has their anecdotal answers for given situations, but I 
> find that most of those answers solely address symptoms of much deeper 
> issues. ?I hear, read about Christianity, love our brother, etc. ?etc. 
> ?I see about 99.999999% of all of that as lip service. We?re in this 
> game for ourselves, all 7 billion of us. ?And that?s collapsing all 
> over the world. We are all masters at pointing fingers and assigning 
> blame to someone else. ?Little, if anything, is ever our own fault - 
> from our leaders on down. ?I posted this before, but it is a question 
> that plagues me: if we really, truly, with all of our being believed 
> that this life is a proving ground for eternity, wouldn?t we spend 
> every second trying endure our destiny, rather than trying to find any 
> and every excuse to get by with the bare minimum? ?I?d think we would 
> want to score as many brownie points as we could rather than 
> rationalize why we don?t have to. ?Everywhere I look I see God used 
> far more as a weapon against others than as an inviting, loving 
> father/savior figure. ?How many of us can instantly zero in on some 
> verse in Holy Scripture to justify hatred, killing, war? ?It?s 
> frustrating because I don?t see an answer. ?No one is willing to 
> compromise. No one is willing, in good faith, to invite discussion. 
> ?We all entertain the notion, as long as it goes our way. ?I don?t 
> know. ?I wish I did. ?My only prayer is ?God help us all.? ?We need it.
>
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> *From:* Rushtalk <rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com> 
> <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com> on behalf of John A. Quayle via 
> Rushtalk <rushtalk at csdco.com> <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 9, 2022 10:41:09 AM
> *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com> 
> <rushtalk at csdco.com> <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
> *Cc:* John A. Quayle <quaylejohn at aol.com> <mailto:quaylejohn at aol.com>; 
> cwsiv at juno.com <mailto:cwsiv at juno.com> <cwsiv at juno.com> 
> <mailto:cwsiv at juno.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau 
> Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues
> He'd never join the list. He's burned out on politics from living 
> under my roof for the first 26 years of his life.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carl Spitzer {C Juno} via Rushtalk <rushtalk at csdco.com> 
> <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
> To: rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
> Cc: Carl Spitzer {C Juno} <cwsiv at juno.com> <mailto:cwsiv at juno.com>
> Sent: Wed, Mar 9, 2022 12:14 pm
> Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau 
> Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues
>
> On Mon, 2022-03-07 at 16:59 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
>> My son left Pittsburgh this morning at 7am, heading for Canada for 
>> business. He'll be back Wednesday. Can't wait to hear his assessment 
>> of the current situation up there.
>
> Have him join the list and write about it.? We know the liberal media 
> which dened the election theft has no credibility to report protests 
> honestly.
> They are the ones promoting the Jan 6 BS. If that had been and 
> insurrection the Never Trumpers and Democrats would have gone to the wall.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Carl? Spitzer
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From stephen.frye at outlook.com  Thu Mar 10 13:31:20 2022
From: stephen.frye at outlook.com (Stephen Frye)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 20:31:20 +0000
Subject: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau
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Breath, breath.  Agreed.  But recognize the passion.  It is no different with politics.  Peoples? beliefs are deeply rooted, are seldom likely to change.  That?s why we are so polarized.  It has taken us a long time to reach this point.  It?s basically entropy, and entropy always increases.  Is this defeatist?  I believe - no.  I believe it?s reality.

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From: Rushtalk <rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com> on behalf of Dennis Putnam via Rushtalk <rushtalk at csdco.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2022 11:23:40 AM
To: rushtalk at csdco.com <rushtalk at csdco.com>
Cc: Dennis Putnam <dap1 at bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues

Time for everyone to take a deep breath. This is a discussion list not an argument list. I would submit that everything said here is (should be) academic. Nothing we say or do here is going to influence enough people to effect real world outcomes. This list is for intellectual exercise.

On 3/10/2022 1:49 PM, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
                        Stephen, for petesakes, get rid of the chip on your shoulder! It's unbecoming! It's not MY religion anymore than it's yours. You still go to Mass on Sundays, do you not? I was just asking questions. I don't care whether you call yourself a Catholic, sit in a circle in your neighborhood - holding hands and singing "Kumbaya" or if you genuflect before trees........that's YOUR business. Yes, people have claimed to be witnessing the "End Times" for a very long time. That just points to the profound desire for Jesus' return. YouTube, of course, is awash in videos on revelations and for much of the same reason. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=revelations<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fresults%3Fsearch_query%3Drevelations&data=04%7C01%7C%7C1aff10ee3183499c9ef508da02cb8127%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637825370319538088%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=Og%2F4cxyM7reD2x8kXapL9LIZM7UPyTgPANeoh8KerHQ%3D&reserved=0>



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First of all, this is yet another example of someone trying to tell me to go by their religion. More importantly, read more carefully what I wrote: I neither confirmed nor denied anything. All I wrote was that people have claimed to be witnessing the material as libation of Revelations for two thousand years. They were as absolutely sure as you are.

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                        Tell me that you cannot see the predictions made in Revelations coming to fruition........................

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People have been seeing the last days of Revelations for two thousand years.  The last days will come because we cause it, not God. In that light, we could well be on our way, but not likely. We have not yet begun to show our readiness and willingness to destroy ourselves.

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                        Dennis may have a point........there seems to be a wealth of "warning" videos popping up on YouTube from "visionaries" - Julie Green and Robin Bullock, just to name but two. When one sees what's happening, it's difficult not to see that we're in the "Last Days" spoken of in Revelations...................


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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues

Perhaps God is testing us all in preparation for the Rapture.

On 3/9/2022 2:12 PM, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
Poop.  I passed burned out a long time ago.  I lingered for quite a while in the disgusted area.  Now I am at the point where I simply don?t know what the answer is.  The political spectrum, all over the world, is so corrupt.  And I believe that?s natural and expected;  people get power, and I firmly subscribe to ?power corrupts?.  Crime is rampant all over the world.  Wife and I cruised a lot, and there were constant warNings about crime at various points of call.  Everybody has their anecdotal answers for given situations, but I find that most of those answers solely address symptoms of much deeper issues.  I hear, read about Christianity, love our brother, etc.  etc.  I see about 99.999999% of all of that as lip service. We?re in this game for ourselves, all 7 billion of us.  And that?s collapsing all over the world. We are all masters at pointing fingers and assigning blame to someone else.  Little, if anything, is ever our own fault - from our leaders on down.  I posted this before, but it is a question that plagues me: if we really, truly, with all of our being believed that this life is a proving ground for eternity, wouldn?t we spend every second trying endure our destiny, rather than trying to find any and every excuse to get by with the bare minimum?  I?d think we would want to score as many brownie points as we could rather than rationalize why we don?t have to.  Everywhere I look I see God used far more as a weapon against others than as an inviting, loving father/savior figure.  How many of us can instantly zero in on some verse in Holy Scripture to justify hatred, killing, war?  It?s frustrating because I don?t see an answer.  No one is willing to compromise. No one is willing, in good faith, to invite discussion.  We all entertain the notion, as long as it goes our way.  I don?t know.  I wish I did.  My only prayer is ?God help us all.?  We need it.

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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues

                        He'd never join the list. He's burned out on politics from living under my roof for the first 26 years of his life.

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On Mon, 2022-03-07 at 16:59 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
My son left Pittsburgh this morning at 7am, heading for Canada for business. He'll be back Wednesday. Can't wait to hear his assessment of the current situation up there.

Have him join the list and write about it.  We know the liberal media which dened the election theft has no credibility to report protests honestly.
They are the ones promoting the Jan 6 BS.  If that had been and insurrection the Never Trumpers and Democrats would have gone to the wall.






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From stephen.frye at outlook.com  Thu Mar 10 13:35:23 2022
From: stephen.frye at outlook.com (Stephen Frye)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 20:35:23 +0000
Subject: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau
 Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues
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And I believe that applies to much.  We don?t know.  We believe, but it?s all faith.  Faith is a wonderful thing, but it can also be confounding.

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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues

Not me. I used the word "perhaps." Revelations says that we will really never know.

On 3/10/2022 1:34 PM, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
First of all, this is yet another example of someone trying to tell me to go by their religion.  More importantly, read more carefully what I wrote:  I neither confirmed nor denied anything.  All I wrote was that people have claimed to be witnessing the material as libation of Revelations for two thousand years.  They were as absolutely sure as you are.

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                        Tell me that you cannot see the predictions made in Revelations coming to fruition........................

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People have been seeing the last days of Revelations for two thousand years.  The last days will come because we cause it, not God. In that light, we could well be on our way, but not likely. We have not yet begun to show our readiness and willingness to destroy ourselves.

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                        Dennis may have a point........there seems to be a wealth of "warning" videos popping up on YouTube from "visionaries" - Julie Green and Robin Bullock, just to name but two. When one sees what's happening, it's difficult not to see that we're in the "Last Days" spoken of in Revelations...................


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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues

Perhaps God is testing us all in preparation for the Rapture.

On 3/9/2022 2:12 PM, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
Poop.  I passed burned out a long time ago.  I lingered for quite a while in the disgusted area.  Now I am at the point where I simply don?t know what the answer is.  The political spectrum, all over the world, is so corrupt.  And I believe that?s natural and expected;  people get power, and I firmly subscribe to ?power corrupts?.  Crime is rampant all over the world.  Wife and I cruised a lot, and there were constant warNings about crime at various points of call.  Everybody has their anecdotal answers for given situations, but I find that most of those answers solely address symptoms of much deeper issues.  I hear, read about Christianity, love our brother, etc.  etc.  I see about 99.999999% of all of that as lip service. We?re in this game for ourselves, all 7 billion of us.  And that?s collapsing all over the world. We are all masters at pointing fingers and assigning blame to someone else.  Little, if anything, is ever our own fault - from our leaders on down.  I posted this before, but it is a question that plagues me: if we really, truly, with all of our being believed that this life is a proving ground for eternity, wouldn?t we spend every second trying endure our destiny, rather than trying to find any and every excuse to get by with the bare minimum?  I?d think we would want to score as many brownie points as we could rather than rationalize why we don?t have to.  Everywhere I look I see God used far more as a weapon against others than as an inviting, loving father/savior figure.  How many of us can instantly zero in on some verse in Holy Scripture to justify hatred, killing, war?  It?s frustrating because I don?t see an answer.  No one is willing to compromise. No one is willing, in good faith, to invite discussion.  We all entertain the notion, as long as it goes our way.  I don?t know.  I wish I did.  My only prayer is ?God help us all.?  We need it.

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                        He'd never join the list. He's burned out on politics from living under my roof for the first 26 years of his life.

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On Mon, 2022-03-07 at 16:59 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
My son left Pittsburgh this morning at 7am, heading for Canada for business. He'll be back Wednesday. Can't wait to hear his assessment of the current situation up there.

Have him join the list and write about it.  We know the liberal media which dened the election theft has no credibility to report protests honestly.
They are the ones promoting the Jan 6 BS.  If that had been and insurrection the Never Trumpers and Democrats would have gone to the wall.






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From stephen.frye at outlook.com  Thu Mar 10 13:52:32 2022
From: stephen.frye at outlook.com (Stephen Frye)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 20:52:32 +0000
Subject: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau
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It?s not a chip.  It?s frustration.  It?s frustration with do often hearing people tell us ?I am right, you are wrong?.  We have a good friend who dies this.  And there is no room for discussion at all.  Like Archie Bunker: case closed.  It plagues politics and religion: yes, I want to share my views with you, and you better listen, but I have no interest in you sharing your views with me because they are wrong.  I don?t care either what someone else believes, I just don?t want it forced on me.  There are people with whom one can have truly open, meaningful discussion, and there are those with whom you cannot.  It has been my experience that the latter far outnumbers the former, and I find that sad.  There is so much any and all of us could learn - if we were willing.  Does this constitute a chip?  I think this is why Dennis cites ?argument? and ?academic?.  I hate arguing.  Open discussion is far more productive.  And the most productive results come from reflection on an exchange later in time.  But if that exchange is in anger, no productive results.  A huge example for me is that I enjoy watching YouTube videos of road rage.  One guy, who uploads often, does have valid examples of being wronged on the road, but he is equally responsible for the escalations.  It?s hard to walk away. It?s hard to NOT prove one?s point.  And because politics and religion are so often defining at a base level, we get very defensive.  Understood.  But that defensive posture drives the wedge of division deeper, and entropy wins out.  And at the end of the day , do little of it matters.  Does this constitute s chip?

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                        Stephen, for petesakes, get rid of the chip on your shoulder! It's unbecoming! It's not MY religion anymore than it's yours. You still go to Mass on Sundays, do you not? I was just asking questions. I don't care whether you call yourself a Catholic, sit in a circle in your neighborhood - holding hands and singing "Kumbaya" or if you genuflect before trees........that's YOUR business. Yes, people have claimed to be witnessing the "End Times" for a very long time. That just points to the profound desire for Jesus' return. YouTube, of course, is awash in videos on revelations and for much of the same reason. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=revelations



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First of all, this is yet another example of someone trying to tell me to go by their religion. More importantly, read more carefully what I wrote: I neither confirmed nor denied anything. All I wrote was that people have claimed to be witnessing the material as libation of Revelations for two thousand years. They were as absolutely sure as you are.

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                        Tell me that you cannot see the predictions made in Revelations coming to fruition........................

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People have been seeing the last days of Revelations for two thousand years.  The last days will come because we cause it, not God. In that light, we could well be on our way, but not likely. We have not yet begun to show our readiness and willingness to destroy ourselves.

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                        Dennis may have a point........there seems to be a wealth of "warning" videos popping up on YouTube from "visionaries" - Julie Green and Robin Bullock, just to name but two. When one sees what's happening, it's difficult not to see that we're in the "Last Days" spoken of in Revelations...................


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Perhaps God is testing us all in preparation for the Rapture.

On 3/9/2022 2:12 PM, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
Poop.  I passed burned out a long time ago.  I lingered for quite a while in the disgusted area.  Now I am at the point where I simply don?t know what the answer is.  The political spectrum, all over the world, is so corrupt.  And I believe that?s natural and expected;  people get power, and I firmly subscribe to ?power corrupts?.  Crime is rampant all over the world.  Wife and I cruised a lot, and there were constant warNings about crime at various points of call.  Everybody has their anecdotal answers for given situations, but I find that most of those answers solely address symptoms of much deeper issues.  I hear, read about Christianity, love our brother, etc.  etc.  I see about 99.999999% of all of that as lip service. We?re in this game for ourselves, all 7 billion of us.  And that?s collapsing all over the world. We are all masters at pointing fingers and assigning blame to someone else.  Little, if anything, is ever our own fault - from our leaders on down.  I posted this before, but it is a question that plagues me: if we really, truly, with all of our being believed that this life is a proving ground for eternity, wouldn?t we spend every second trying endure our destiny, rather than trying to find any and every excuse to get by with the bare minimum?  I?d think we would want to score as many brownie points as we could rather than rationalize why we don?t have to.  Everywhere I look I see God used far more as a weapon against others than as an inviting, loving father/savior figure.  How many of us can instantly zero in on some verse in Holy Scripture to justify hatred, killing, war?  It?s frustrating because I don?t see an answer.  No one is willing to compromise. No one is willing, in good faith, to invite discussion.  We all entertain the notion, as long as it goes our way.  I don?t know.  I wish I did.  My only prayer is ?God help us all.?  We need it.

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                        He'd never join the list. He's burned out on politics from living under my roof for the first 26 years of his life.

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On Mon, 2022-03-07 at 16:59 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
My son left Pittsburgh this morning at 7am, heading for Canada for business. He'll be back Wednesday. Can't wait to hear his assessment of the current situation up there.

Have him join the list and write about it.  We know the liberal media which dened the election theft has no credibility to report protests honestly.
They are the ones promoting the Jan 6 BS.  If that had been and insurrection the Never Trumpers and Democrats would have gone to the wall.






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From wbbanjo at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 11 12:10:32 2022
From: wbbanjo at yahoo.com (William White)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 19:10:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau
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Hello, although I have not posted much over the years, I have, nevertheless followed this list since the early 90's.? It has helped me to sort through a number of issues as I discovered in the Clinton years that the Democrat party had become untenable for me.? ?That estrangement has increased as the Dem have veered left and remain on that trajectory.? ?The thug like behavior of the so-called liberals is on display in Canada.? Their attack on faith is evident on both sides of the border.
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From cwsiv at juno.com  Fri Mar 11 19:18:34 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 18:18:34 -0800
Subject: [Rushtalk] The Unmasking
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Published: Feb 19, 2022
Author: James Howard Kunstler

We?re in the midst of a tremendous shift of public opinion. Winter is
not over but the truth is budding now in a thousand places.

O Canada, the Great White North, hovering ominously above Niagara Falls
somewhere, is a winter wonderland, and one of the great pleasures of the
season there, apparently, for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, is skating
on thin ice. Why is that? Perhaps in all the hollering you have
forgotten how Mr. T has kicked off a civil war: by forcing
government-mandated shots on his country?s working class of an alleged
?vaccine? that doesn?t work and harms people, at the dwindling end of a
worldwide disease scare that scientists in Canadian labs may have helped
to create.

The great truckers? convoy that converged on Canada?s capital city,
Ottawa, has exposed the ugly truth at the heart of this historic moment
for Western Civ: that governments have declared war on their own
citizens. It happens that PM Trudeau represents his country?s Liberal
Party, which is suddenly the party of unchecked government power to
interfere in the lives of citizens, the party of speech suppression,
news management, forced unsafe vaccinations, and the seizure of
citizens? property outside due process of law.

Under the Emergencies Act, Mr. Trudeau?s police have now arrested the
leaders of the trucker?s revolt, Tamara Lich and Chris Barber, on
charges of ?counseling to commit mischief? (O, dear?!), and seized their
bank accounts, while also freezing the bank accounts of anyone who
donated money to the truckers? cause. That action led, naturally, to
runs on Canada?s major banks, leading to bank shut-downs on Wednesday ?
d?uh? what do you expect when the authorities send the message: your
money is not safe in Canada?s banks, and might not even be your money if
we say it?s not?

And now everybody ? including alert citizens watching from many other
countries ? waits to see what the next moves are. Let?s also note that
it?s not just the truckers in revolt against insane government mandates;
it?s also at least half the population of Canada who stand behind the
truckers and against the new fashion for tyranny in what used to be
called the Free West. I?d venture to guess that the next move will be a
general strike that paralyzes Canada and forces its parliament to
overrule the Emergency Act and get rid of PM Trudeau.

Meanwhile, like a coronavirus itself, the trucker protest movement has
infected America. A ?People?s Convoy? is assembling around Barstow,
California (the capital of the Mojave Desert, where there?s plenty of
room to assemble), with a launch date of February 23, next Wednesday,
destination: Washington DC. Won?t that be? interesting? What will the
government of ?Joe Biden? do? Likewise invoke some sort of emergency
powers? Declare yet another ?insurrection? as with January 6, 2021? Mess
with the truckers? bank accounts, and those of the people who support
them? Do they want to inspire a run on US banks at a juncture where the
extreme fragility of the global banking system threatens to blow up
financial markets? Standing by on that.

The US government, like Canada?s, has likewise been at war with its
citizens. At least half the country has awakened to this unappetizing
reality ? even while somewhat less than half the country still
catatonically follows whatever idiotic diktat the despotic bureaucracy
spews out. Why, for instance, do so many still go about in face masks
even where local regulations are lifted? (And especially in light of the
overwhelming evidence that masks don?t work?) Answer: to signify that
they are still against Trump, the evil leviathan said to be responsible
for all the woes and injustices in the world and who threatens their
?safety?? meaning, their status as oppressed victims of ?white
supremacy,? including the guilty-and-penitent self-oppressed white
people of the Left themselves. Yeah, it?s just that simple because we
are in an epic episode of human social hysteria.

Except that the hysteria is dissipating for all except the most
psychotic or the most politically cornered due to their record of
perfidy and bad faith ? the David Frums, Max Boots, and Rachel Maddows
of our world, the cable news outfits, the Democratic Party hierarchy,
the criminally psychopathic swine running the US public health agencies,
and the craven doctors who have fecklessly murdered patients at the
behest of Dr. Anthony Fauci & Company. Despite the sedulous efforts to
suppress the data (O, the sacred data!) about the failure of their
?vaccines,? the real news is getting out: the ?vaccines? don?t prevent
transmission or infection of Covid-19, and they pose lethal side-effects
for the vaxxed. There it is, in plain English. And yet, ?Joe Biden,?
putative president of the US, is still telling the country to ?go out
and get vaccinated, get boosted? ? ???

The companies who produced the ?vaccines? are even on the run. Pfizer
withdrew its application for an emergency use authorization in India,
where the public health agency insisted on seeing the safety records
Pfizer was obliged to furnish ? and refused to. India is a big market
for pharmaceuticals, some 1.39 billion. Pfizer?s stock has crashed
nearly 10 percent the past two weeks. By the way, some of the states of
India are notable for having battled Covid-19 with the mass distribution
of early treatment kits containing cheap anti-virals such as ivermectin,
hydroxychloroquine, Vitamin D, etc. The program was famously successful
in reducing deaths there.

The CEO of Moderna, St?phane Bancel, has sold off $400-million of his
own stock in the company and deleted his Twitter account on rumors that
all-causes deaths reported by US life insurance companies show a
shocking and mysterious rise in mortality that just may be attributed to
the ?vaccines? causing strokes, heart attacks, cancer cases, and immune
system failures. (Moderna?s stock is also sinking.) Neither the
mainstream news media nor the US public health agencies are making any
effort to investigate this now well-documented occurrence.

We?re in the midst of a tremendous shift of public opinion. Winter is
not over but the truth is budding now in a thousand places. The people
are done kneeling docilly to be silenced and killed. They will not let
this country, and many other nations in the Western Civ club, be
destroyed without a fight. The unmasked are unmasking their masked
antagonists. Stand by, now, to find out who has been behind all this
deadly mischief. We will rip off their masks and the rule of law will be
restored. 

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/02/james-howard-kunstler/th
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From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2022 18:25:33 -0800
Subject: [Rushtalk] Daylight Savings Time
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From dap1 at bellsouth.net  Sun Mar 13 09:19:42 2022
From: dap1 at bellsouth.net (Dennis Putnam)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2022 11:19:42 -0400
Subject: [Rushtalk] Daylight Savings Time
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Just an FYI. It is NOT "'savings" time. Savings are money you put into a 
bank. It is Daylight Saving Time.

On 3/12/2022 9:25 PM, Carl Spitzer {C Juno} via Rushtalk wrote:
> https://www.timeanddate.com/time/dst/events.html
>
> Sunday Night ahead.
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12 Armed FBI Agents Kick Down Door of Couple?s Home Looking For Pelosi?s
Laptop ? Turns Out it Was a Case of Mistaken Identity

Published by on April 30, 2021
Paul and Marilyn Hueper

The FBI this week raided a Homer, Alaska couple?s home looking for Nancy
Pelosi?s laptop.

12 agents broke down the Hueper?s front door with their guns drawn,
separated the husband and wife, cuffed them, seized their electronics
and interrogated them for 3 hours.

After a 3 hour interrogation, it turned out it was a case of mistaken
identity.

The Hueper?s just happened to be on vacation in DC the same week Trump
spoke at the Ellipse on January 6 and decided to attend the rally,
however they never entered the Capitol building.

Marilyn Hueper said FBI agents accused her of entering the US Capitol
building and assisting in the theft of Speaker Pelosi?s laptop.

Near the end of the interrogation, FBI agents pulled out a photo of the
woman they were looking for and although the woman resembled her
(side-by-side photo of the two women below), it was a case of mistaken
identity!

The Huepers were not charged with any crimes.

Anchorage Daily News reported:

Hueper said the agents broke down her door Wednesday morning as she, her
husband and some guests were asleep.

When she asked why they didn?t just knock, she was told that they did,
but no one answered, so the agents went to get breakfast. When they
returned, they knocked again, and when no one answered, they broke open
the door, she said.

Hueper said the officers had guns drawn and handcuffed her, her husband
and their guests. She and her husband were put in different rooms and
couldn?t see what was happening as the officers searched, according to
Hueper.

An officer pulled out a photo of a woman in the Capitol on Jan. 6 and
asked if she knew who the woman was. Hueper was surprised, she said,
because the woman looked like her and had a coat like one she owns. But
Hueper said she?s never had a sweater like one the woman was wearing in
a second picture.

Hueper said she was able to point to other photos, provided later in the
interview, to show differences in her appearance from the woman shown.
The woman in the photo has detached earlobes ? hers are attached. The
other woman also has a different brow shape, Hueper said, adding that
she?s never worn the kind of high boots that the woman wore.

?I?m like, ?Wait a minute. Is that her? That?s clearly not me. Why did
you not show me this to start with?? ? Hueper said.

Meanwhile FBI agents completely ignore Antifa and BLM terrorists who are
killing people and burning buildings to the ground.

INSANE. ?He was shocked to come out of his bedroom with seven guns
pointing at him and his wife. The couple was handcuffed and interrogated
for the better part of three hours. In the end, it was a case of
mistaken identity.?

January 6 manhunt: https://t.co/SvTP1kYD0q

? Julie Kelly (@julie_kelly2) April 30, 2021
 
        
        
        
        https://goodtree.us/blog/12-armed-fbi-agents-kick-down-door-of-couples-home-looking-for-pelosis-laptop-turns-out-it-was-a-case-of-mistaken-identity/
        
         

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From cwsiv at juno.com  Sun Mar 13 10:18:22 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2022 09:18:22 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] BREAKING: Pakistanis Tied to DNC Email Scandal Caught
 FLEEING THE COUNTRY After Democratic Leaders Covered For Them
Message-ID: <1647188302.16401.40.camel@linux-7k5b.site>

 


BREAKING: Pakistanis Tied to DNC Email Scandal Caught FLEEING THE
COUNTRY After Democratic Leaders Covered For Them

By

RRJ 
 
And they accuse President Trump and his crew of being involved in some
sort of foreign meddling in American politics?

We already knew about the Pakistan-born Muslim brothers involved in the
DNC email server scandal.


Well, now we pretty much can confirm that they?re guilty of sending
sensitive information overseas, and of bank fraud.

Via Breitbart:

Imran Awan, the Pakistani IT vendor of Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the
former chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee, was arrested by
the FBI while trying to flee the country Tuesday, according to a Fox
News reporter.

Fox News Capitol Hill reporter Chad Pergram tweeted about the arrest at
Dulles International Airport, which he said stemmed from ?bank fraud?
charges:



Rep. Wasserman Schultz responded by firing Awan. But, seriously, do any
of us really believe she didn?t know?

If she didn?t know, then she?s an idiot who shouldn?t have access to our
nation?s classified information. If she did, then she?s a criminal who
shouldn?t have access to our nation?s classified information.
 


And it gets worse.

The reason Awan was fleeing the country was because he had tried and
failed to retrieve SMASHED HARD DRIVES from a house he and his brother
own in DC.

After discovering they had left ?smashed computer hard-drives? and other
computer equipment at the Lorton, Virginia home, the Awans tried
desperately to retrieve them before they were seized by investigators,
going so far as threatening to sue the renters.

The contents of the hard drives is unclear, but Imran Awan and his
brothers are reported to have provided services as IT vendors for
several House Democrats.
                                    

Now, most of the charges against the brothers are connected to
embezzlement of public funds.

But there?s also concern that they uploaded sensitive information to
foreign servers. And that Wasserman Schultz covered for them.

The Daily Caller?s Rosiak said one of the allegations against the
brothers Awan was that ?they were sending information to an offsite
server and when you look at their backgrounds, these guys have been
accused of fraud repeatedly in civil lawsuits.?

The Daily Caller had reported that Wasserman Schultz ?inexplicably
protected? Awan when news of the scandal first broke.

Source: Breitbart
 
        
        
        
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From tom.matiska at att.net  Sun Mar 13 10:51:34 2022
From: tom.matiska at att.net (Tom Matiska)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2022 16:51:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] 
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 April 30, 2021 ????? ?
    On Sunday, March 13, 2022, 12:16:30 PM EDT, Carl Spitzer {C Juno} via Rushtalk <rushtalk at csdco.com> wrote:  
 
      
   
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12 Armed FBI Agents Kick Down Door of Couple?s Home Looking For Pelosi?s Laptop ? Turns Out it Was a Case of Mistaken Identity

Published by on April 30, 2021
Paul and Marilyn Hueper

The FBI this week raided a Homer, Alaska couple?s home looking for Nancy Pelosi?s laptop.

12 agents broke down the Hueper?s front door with their guns drawn, separated the husband and wife, cuffed them, seized their electronics and interrogated them for 3 hours.

After a 3 hour interrogation, it turned out it was a case of mistaken identity.

The Hueper?s just happened to be on vacation in DC the same week Trump spoke at the Ellipse on January 6 and decided to attend the rally, however they never entered the Capitol building.

Marilyn Hueper said FBI agents accused her of entering the US Capitol building and assisting in the theft of Speaker Pelosi?s laptop.

Near the end of the interrogation, FBI agents pulled out a photo of the woman they were looking for and although the woman resembled her (side-by-side photo of the two women below), it was a case of mistaken identity!

The Huepers were not charged with any crimes.

Anchorage Daily News reported:

Hueper said the agents broke down her door Wednesday morning as she, her husband and some guests were asleep.

When she asked why they didn?t just knock, she was told that they did, but no one answered, so the agents went to get breakfast. When they returned, they knocked again, and when no one answered, they broke open the door, she said.

Hueper said the officers had guns drawn and handcuffed her, her husband and their guests. She and her husband were put in different rooms and couldn?t see what was happening as the officers searched, according to Hueper.

An officer pulled out a photo of a woman in the Capitol on Jan. 6 and asked if she knew who the woman was. Hueper was surprised, she said, because the woman looked like her and had a coat like one she owns. But Hueper said she?s never had a sweater like one the woman was wearing in a second picture.

Hueper said she was able to point to other photos, provided later in the interview, to show differences in her appearance from the woman shown. The woman in the photo has detached earlobes ? hers are attached. The other woman also has a different brow shape, Hueper said, adding that she?s never worn the kind of high boots that the woman wore.

?I?m like, ?Wait a minute. Is that her? That?s clearly not me. Why did you not show me this to start with?? ? Hueper said.

Meanwhile FBI agents completely ignore Antifa and BLM terrorists who are killing people and burning buildings to the ground.

INSANE. ?He was shocked to come out of his bedroom with seven guns pointing at him and his wife. The couple was handcuffed and interrogated for the better part of three hours. In the end, it was a case of mistaken identity.?

January 6 manhunt: https://t.co/SvTP1kYD0q

? Julie Kelly (@julie_kelly2) April 30, 2021
 

https://goodtree.us/blog/12-armed-fbi-agents-kick-down-door-of-couples-home-looking-for-pelosis-laptop-turns-out-it-was-a-case-of-mistaken-identity/

 


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From stephen.frye at outlook.com  Sun Mar 13 11:21:16 2022
From: stephen.frye at outlook.com (Stephen Frye)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2022 17:21:16 +0000
Subject: [Rushtalk] 
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Certainly glad to see this year-old story posted now.

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Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2022 9:15:55 AM
To: RushTalk <rushtalk at csdco.com>
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Subject: [Rushtalk] 12 Armed FBI Agents Kick Down Door of Couple?s Home Looking For Pelosi?s Laptop ? Turns Out it Was a Case of Mistaken Identity


     *

12 Armed FBI Agents Kick Down Door of Couple?s Home Looking For Pelosi?s Laptop ? Turns Out it Was a Case of Mistaken Identity
Published by on April 30, 2021
Paul and Marilyn Hueper

The FBI this week raided a Homer, Alaska couple?s home looking for Nancy Pelosi?s laptop.

12 agents broke down the Hueper?s front door with their guns drawn, separated the husband and wife, cuffed them, seized their electronics and interrogated them for 3 hours.

After a 3 hour interrogation, it turned out it was a case of mistaken identity.

The Hueper?s just happened to be on vacation in DC the same week Trump spoke at the Ellipse on January 6 and decided to attend the rally, however they never entered the Capitol building.

Marilyn Hueper said FBI agents accused her of entering the US Capitol building and assisting in the theft of Speaker Pelosi?s laptop.

Near the end of the interrogation, FBI agents pulled out a photo of the woman they were looking for and although the woman resembled her (side-by-side photo of the two women below), it was a case of mistaken identity!

The Huepers were not charged with any crimes.

Anchorage Daily News reported<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.adn.com%2Falaska-news%2F2021%2F04%2F29%2Fhomer-woman-says-fbi-search-of-her-home-was-case-of-mistaken-identity-tied-to-capitol-riot%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccab8866fb3c14436a32908da050cd44b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637827849902766504%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=0BRSBN3aXhnBRpb6121QLDM5NXo2UNvFX%2Fkss4Y8BH0%3D&reserved=0>:

Hueper said the agents broke down her door Wednesday morning as she, her husband and some guests were asleep.

When she asked why they didn?t just knock, she was told that they did, but no one answered, so the agents went to get breakfast. When they returned, they knocked again, and when no one answered, they broke open the door, she said.

Hueper said the officers had guns drawn and handcuffed her, her husband and their guests. She and her husband were put in different rooms and couldn?t see what was happening as the officers searched, according to Hueper.

An officer pulled out a photo of a woman in the Capitol on Jan. 6 and asked if she knew who the woman was. Hueper was surprised, she said, because the woman looked like her and had a coat like one she owns. But Hueper said she?s never had a sweater like one the woman was wearing in a second picture.

Hueper said she was able to point to other photos, provided later in the interview, to show differences in her appearance from the woman shown. The woman in the photo has detached earlobes ? hers are attached. The other woman also has a different brow shape, Hueper said, adding that she?s never worn the kind of high boots that the woman wore.

?I?m like, ?Wait a minute. Is that her? That?s clearly not me. Why did you not show me this to start with?? ? Hueper said.

Meanwhile FBI agents completely ignore Antifa and BLM terrorists who are killing people and burning buildings to the ground.

INSANE. ?He was shocked to come out of his bedroom with seven guns pointing at him and his wife. The couple was handcuffed and interrogated for the better part of three hours. In the end, it was a case of mistaken identity.?

January 6 manhunt: https://t.co/SvTP1kYD0q<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FSvTP1kYD0q&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccab8866fb3c14436a32908da050cd44b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637827849902766504%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=SQLzge4o5c%2B0mijY0DYwV%2F3PXBHPHdsaL%2BJcMc46wP4%3D&reserved=0>

? Julie Kelly (@julie_kelly2) April 30, 2021<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fjulie_kelly2%2Fstatus%2F1388110836984684544&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccab8866fb3c14436a32908da050cd44b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637827849902766504%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=hrml12MnEI54ac6ExT3wDp5bbQ91LuhJVzAsYsIuhmo%3D&reserved=0>




https://goodtree.us/blog/12-armed-fbi-agents-kick-down-door-of-couples-home-looking-for-pelosis-laptop-turns-out-it-was-a-case-of-mistaken-identity/<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgoodtree.us%2Fblog%2F12-armed-fbi-agents-kick-down-door-of-couples-home-looking-for-pelosis-laptop-turns-out-it-was-a-case-of-mistaken-identity%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccab8866fb3c14436a32908da050cd44b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637827849902766504%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=X8aRmPBGSxj%2Fx2cMOhjuV24KhmAm%2FG28VYDlmdlze5A%3D&reserved=0>




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From stephen.frye at outlook.com  Sun Mar 13 11:32:52 2022
From: stephen.frye at outlook.com (Stephen Frye)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2022 17:32:52 +0000
Subject: [Rushtalk] Daylight Savings Time
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These misuses of the language are like fingernails dragging down the chalkboard.  But who is responsible?  A couple of years ago, our high school exchange student was asked where she was from.  She said ?Germany?.  The student responded ?isn?t that on the east coast??  The same year our other girl was asked where she was from.  ?Sweden?.  The girl rolled her eyes and said ?here in the U.S. we pronounce that ?Switzerland??.  The fourth year we had students, the high school yearbook had a full two pages dedicated to the exchange students.  The article was more than embarrassingly loaded with grammatical errors, usage errors, etc.  the next year our Danish girl wrote the article.  She showed it to me before she turned it in - perfect.  Don?t expect too much, Dennis.  It simply isn?t there.

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Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2022 8:19:42 AM
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Cc: Dennis Putnam <dap1 at bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Daylight Savings Time

Just an FYI. It is NOT "'savings" time. Savings are money you put into a
bank. It is Daylight Saving Time.

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    On Sunday, March 13, 2022, 12:16:30 PM EDT, Carl Spitzer {C Juno} via Rushtalk <rushtalk at csdco.com> wrote:  
 
      
   
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12 Armed FBI Agents Kick Down Door of Couple?s Home Looking For Pelosi?s Laptop ? Turns Out it Was a Case of Mistaken Identity

Published by on April 30, 2021
Paul and Marilyn Hueper

The FBI this week raided a Homer, Alaska couple?s home looking for Nancy Pelosi?s laptop.

12 agents broke down the Hueper?s front door with their guns drawn, separated the husband and wife, cuffed them, seized their electronics and interrogated them for 3 hours.

After a 3 hour interrogation, it turned out it was a case of mistaken identity.

The Hueper?s just happened to be on vacation in DC the same week Trump spoke at the Ellipse on January 6 and decided to attend the rally, however they never entered the Capitol building.

Marilyn Hueper said FBI agents accused her of entering the US Capitol building and assisting in the theft of Speaker Pelosi?s laptop.

Near the end of the interrogation, FBI agents pulled out a photo of the woman they were looking for and although the woman resembled her (side-by-side photo of the two women below), it was a case of mistaken identity!

The Huepers were not charged with any crimes.

Anchorage Daily News reported:

Hueper said the agents broke down her door Wednesday morning as she, her husband and some guests were asleep.

When she asked why they didn?t just knock, she was told that they did, but no one answered, so the agents went to get breakfast. When they returned, they knocked again, and when no one answered, they broke open the door, she said.

Hueper said the officers had guns drawn and handcuffed her, her husband and their guests. She and her husband were put in different rooms and couldn?t see what was happening as the officers searched, according to Hueper.

An officer pulled out a photo of a woman in the Capitol on Jan. 6 and asked if she knew who the woman was. Hueper was surprised, she said, because the woman looked like her and had a coat like one she owns. But Hueper said she?s never had a sweater like one the woman was wearing in a second picture.

Hueper said she was able to point to other photos, provided later in the interview, to show differences in her appearance from the woman shown. The woman in the photo has detached earlobes ? hers are attached. The other woman also has a different brow shape, Hueper said, adding that she?s never worn the kind of high boots that the woman wore.

?I?m like, ?Wait a minute. Is that her? That?s clearly not me. Why did you not show me this to start with?? ? Hueper said.

Meanwhile FBI agents completely ignore Antifa and BLM terrorists who are killing people and burning buildings to the ground.

INSANE. ?He was shocked to come out of his bedroom with seven guns pointing at him and his wife. The couple was handcuffed and interrogated for the better part of three hours. In the end, it was a case of mistaken identity.?

January 6 manhunt: https://t.co/SvTP1kYD0q

? Julie Kelly (@julie_kelly2) April 30, 2021
 
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From: quaylejohn at aol.com (John  A. Quayle)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2022 19:36:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] Daylight Savings Time
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 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 32 years ago, I worked on-air for WESA-AM/FM (Charleroi, PA.) and our program director had just graduated from college. He would put memos on the controlroom (think "studio") bulletin board. When I had to sit through network programming, out of sheer boredom, I'd take down the memos and correct the spelling mistakes, then put it back up. There were always a minimum of ten - more, if you count the grammatical errors, as well (he used "me and him" pretty frequently). I was still going to college at night in those days, but glad I went to a better academic institution than a "party" school................
 
 
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These misuses of the language are like fingernails dragging down the chalkboard. But who is responsible? A couple of years ago, our high school exchange student was asked where she was from. She said ?Germany?. The student responded ?isn?t that on the east coast?? The same year our other girl was asked where she was from. ?Sweden?. The girl rolled her eyes and said ?here in the U.S. we pronounce that ?Switzerland??. ?The fourth year we had students, the high school yearbook had a full two pages dedicated to the exchange students. The article was more than embarrassingly loaded with grammatical errors, usage errors, etc. ?the next year our Danish girl wrote the article. She showed it to me before she turned it in - perfect. Don?t expect too much, Dennis. It simply isn?t there.
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From stephen.frye at outlook.com  Sun Mar 13 13:42:41 2022
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Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2022 19:42:41 +0000
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I worked for a professional company.  They were offering a fitness program, and invitation read ?perspective participants should ??.  Grrrrrrr.

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                        32 years ago, I worked on-air for WESA-AM/FM (Charleroi, PA.) and our program director had just graduated from college. He would put memos on the controlroom (think "studio") bulletin board. When I had to sit through network programming, out of sheer boredom, I'd take down the memos and correct the spelling mistakes, then put it back up. There were always a minimum of ten - more, if you count the grammatical errors, as well (he used "me and him" pretty frequently). I was still going to college at night in those days, but glad I went to a better academic institution than a "party" school................


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These misuses of the language are like fingernails dragging down the chalkboard. But who is responsible? A couple of years ago, our high school exchange student was asked where she was from. She said ?Germany?. The student responded ?isn?t that on the east coast?? The same year our other girl was asked where she was from. ?Sweden?. The girl rolled her eyes and said ?here in the U.S. we pronounce that ?Switzerland??.  The fourth year we had students, the high school yearbook had a full two pages dedicated to the exchange students. The article was more than embarrassingly loaded with grammatical errors, usage errors, etc.  the next year our Danish girl wrote the article. She showed it to me before she turned it in - perfect. Don?t expect too much, Dennis. It simply isn?t there.

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Just an FYI. It is NOT "'savings" time. Savings are money you put into a
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From quaylejohn at aol.com  Sun Mar 13 13:47:36 2022
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Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2022 19:47:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are
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 | Batteries, they do not make electricity ? they store electricity produced elsewhere, primarily by coal, uranium, natural gas-powered plants, or diesel-fueled generators. So, to say an EV is a zero-emission vehicle is not at all valid. |

   
Also, since forty percent of the electricity generated in the U.S. is from coal-fired plants, it follows that forty percent of the EVs on the road are coal-powered, do you see?"

Einstein's formula, E=MC2, tells us it takes the same amount of energy to move a five-thousand-pound gasoline-driven automobile a mile as it does an electric one. The only question again is what produces the power? To reiterate, it does not come from the battery; the battery is only the storage device, like a gas tank in a car.

There are two orders of batteries, rechargeable, and single-use. The most common single-use batteries are A, AA, AAA, C, D. 9V, and lantern types. Those dry-cell species use zinc, manganese, lithium, silver oxide, or zinc and carbon to store electricity chemically. Please note they all contain toxic, heavy metals. (empahsis: MINE! - JAQ)

Rechargeable batteries only differ in their internal materials, usually lithium-ion, nickel-metal oxide, and nickel-cadmium. The United States uses three billion of these two battery types a year, and most are not recycled; they end up in landfills. California is the only state which requires all batteries be recycled. If you throw your small, used batteries in the trash, here is what happens to them.

All batteries are self-discharging. That means even when not in use, they leak tiny amounts of energy. You have likely ruined a flashlight or two from an old, ruptured battery. When a battery runs down and can no longer power a toy or light, you think of it as dead; well, it is not. It continues to leak small amounts of electricity. As the chemicals inside it run out, pressure builds inside the battery's metal casing, and eventually, it cracks. The metals left inside then ooze out. The ooze in your ruined flashlight is toxic, and so is the ooze that will inevitably leak from every battery in a landfill. All batteries eventually rupture; it just takes rechargeable batteries longer to end up in the landfill.

In addition to dry cell batteries, there are also wet cell ones used in automobiles, boats, and motorcycles. The good thing about those is, ninety percent of them are recycled. Unfortunately, we do not yet know how to recycle single-use ones properly.

But that is not half of it. For those of you excited about electric cars and a green revolution, I want you to take a closer look at batteries and also windmills and solar panels. These three technologies share what we call environmentally destructive production costs.

A typical EV battery weighs one thousand pounds, about the size of a travel trunk. It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells.

It should concern you that all those toxic components come from mining. For instance, to manufacture each EV auto battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth's crust for just - one - battery."

Sixty-eight percent of the world's cobalt, a significant part of a battery, comes from the Congo. Their mines have no pollution controls, and they employ children who die from handling this toxic material. Should we factor in these diseased kids as part of the cost of driving an electric car?"

I'd like to leave you with these thoughts. California is building the largest battery in the world near San Francisco, and they intend to power it from solar panels and windmills. They claim this is the ultimate in being 'green,' but it is not. This construction project is creating an environmental disaster. Let me tell you why.

The main problem with solar arrays is the chemicals needed to process silicate into the silicon used in the panels. To make pure enough silicon requires processing it with hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, trichloroethane, and acetone. In addition, they also need gallium, arsenide, copper-indium-gallium- diselenide, and cadmium-telluride, which also are highly toxic. Silicon dust is a hazard to the workers, and the panels cannot be recycled.

Windmills are the ultimate in embedded costs and environmental destruction. Each weighs 1688 tons (the equivalent of 23 houses) and contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of iron, 24 tons of fiberglass, and the hard to extract rare earths neodymium, praseodymium, and dysprosium. Each blade weighs 81,000 pounds and will last 15 to 20 years, at which time it must be replaced. We cannot recycle used blades.

There may be a place for these technologies, but you must look beyond the myth of zero emissions.

"Going Green" may sound like the Utopian ideal but when you look at the hidden and embedded costs realistically with an open mind, you can see that Going Green is more destructive to the Earth's environment than meets the eye, for sure.


 
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From cwsiv at juno.com  Sun Mar 13 21:13:49 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2022 20:13:49 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are
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Lets not forget that there are limited supplies of these materials so
its impossible for everyone with a car to go green.
So then the masses will have to give up their liberty of individual cars
and take public transit.  So being a public entity do you have freedom
from search and seizure of the transit company loves the fascist police
state and decides the unmasked and unvaccinated are none persons??  What
if you carry a gun perhaps the company loves Hitler.  Perhaps this mass
loss of freedom is the real goal so that only thei rich can have freedom
including driving gasoline cars????




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From stephen.frye at outlook.com  Sun Mar 13 21:26:37 2022
From: stephen.frye at outlook.com (Stephen Frye)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2022 03:26:37 +0000
Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are
 eviroromentally a disaster)
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Yes, there is a finite supply of battery resources.  There is also a finite supply of oil.  Yes, the progressive left wants to remove our freedoms.  I think it was AOC who once quipped that rights should be what the government says they are.  Like it if not, the world is moving on.  I?m just not exactly sure where it?s going.

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Lets not forget that there are limited supplies of these materials so its impossible for everyone with a car to go green.
So then the masses will have to give up their liberty of individual cars and take public transit.  So being a public entity do you have freedom from search and seizure of the transit company loves the fascist police state and decides the unmasked and unvaccinated are none persons??  What if you carry a gun perhaps the company loves Hitler.  Perhaps this mass loss of freedom is the real goal so that only thei rich can have freedom including driving gasoline cars????






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From quaylejohn at aol.com  Mon Mar 14 07:48:07 2022
From: quaylejohn at aol.com (John  A. Quayle)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2022 13:48:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are
 eviroromentally a disaster)
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??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Those EV batteries weigh 1,000 lbs. Who in Hell has a cherry picker to change the battery? 
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 Lets not forget that there are limited supplies of these materials so its impossible for everyone with a car to go green.
So then the masses will have to give up their liberty of individual cars and take public transit.? So being a public entity do you have freedom from search and seizure of the transit company loves the fascist police state and decides the unmasked and unvaccinated are none persons??? What if you carry a gun perhaps the company loves Hitler.? Perhaps this mass loss of freedom is the real goal so that only thei rich can have freedom including driving gasoline cars????





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From quaylejohn at aol.com  Mon Mar 14 07:49:56 2022
From: quaylejohn at aol.com (John  A. Quayle)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2022 13:49:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are
 eviroromentally a disaster)
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 ??? ??? ??? ??? ???? Those EV batteries weigh 1,000 lbs. Who in Hell keeps a cherry picker to change the battery? 
 
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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are eviroromentally a disaster)

Yes, there is a finite supply of battery resources. ?There is also a finite supply of oil. ?Yes, the progressive left wants to remove our freedoms. ?I think it was AOC who once quipped that rights should be what the government says they are. ?Like it if not, the world is moving on. ?I?m just not exactly sure where it?s going.
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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are eviroromentally a disaster)?Lets not forget that there are limited supplies of these materials so its impossible for everyone with a car to go green.
So then the masses will have to give up their liberty of individual cars and take public transit.? So being a public entity do you have freedom from search and seizure of the transit company loves the fascist police state and decides the unmasked and unvaccinated are none persons??? What if you carry a gun perhaps the company loves Hitler.? Perhaps this mass loss of freedom is the real goal so that only thei rich can have freedom including driving gasoline cars????





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From stephen.frye at outlook.com  Mon Mar 14 15:18:40 2022
From: stephen.frye at outlook.com (Stephen Frye)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2022 21:18:40 +0000
Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are
 eviroromentally a disaster)
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John, if I didn?t know better, I?d say you are against electric cars.  E=MC2 won?t tell us much - don?t forget the denominator.  F=MA is a little better, but either way the claim is correct: same amount of energy.  But there are losses all along the way, and he itemizes one approach, but ignores the analogous itemization on the other.  Textbook example of pre-existing bias.  He also overlooks and misstates a lot of quite pertinent information.

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Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are eviroromentally a disaster)






Batteries, they do not make electricity ? they store electricity produced elsewhere, primarily by coal, uranium, natural gas-powered plants, or diesel-fueled generators. So, to say an EV is a zero-emission vehicle is not at all valid.

Also, since forty percent of the electricity generated in the U.S. is from coal-fired plants, it follows that forty percent of the EVs on the road are coal-powered, do you see?"

Einstein's formula, E=MC2, tells us it takes the same amount of energy to move a five-thousand-pound gasoline-driven automobile a mile as it does an electric one. The only question again is what produces the power? To reiterate, it does not come from the battery; the battery is only the storage device, like a gas tank in a car.

There are two orders of batteries, rechargeable, and single-use. The most common single-use batteries are A, AA, AAA, C, D. 9V, and lantern types. Those dry-cell species use zinc, manganese, lithium, silver oxide, or zinc and carbon to store electricity chemically. Please note they all contain toxic, heavy metals. (empahsis: MINE! - JAQ)

Rechargeable batteries only differ in their internal materials, usually lithium-ion, nickel-metal oxide, and nickel-cadmium. The United States uses three billion of these two battery types a year, and most are not recycled; they end up in landfills. California is the only state which requires all batteries be recycled. If you throw your small, used batteries in the trash, here is what happens to them.

All batteries are self-discharging. That means even when not in use, they leak tiny amounts of energy. You have likely ruined a flashlight or two from an old, ruptured battery. When a battery runs down and can no longer power a toy or light, you think of it as dead; well, it is not. It continues to leak small amounts of electricity. As the chemicals inside it run out, pressure builds inside the battery's metal casing, and eventually, it cracks. The metals left inside then ooze out. The ooze in your ruined flashlight is toxic, and so is the ooze that will inevitably leak from every battery in a landfill. All batteries eventually rupture; it just takes rechargeable batteries longer to end up in the landfill.

In addition to dry cell batteries, there are also wet cell ones used in automobiles, boats, and motorcycles. The good thing about those is, ninety percent of them are recycled. Unfortunately, we do not yet know how to recycle single-use ones properly.

But that is not half of it. For those of you excited about electric cars and a green revolution, I want you to take a closer look at batteries and also windmills and solar panels. These three technologies share what we call environmentally destructive production costs.

A typical EV battery weighs one thousand pounds, about the size of a travel trunk. It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells.

It should concern you that all those toxic components come from mining. For instance, to manufacture each EV auto battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth's crust for just - one - battery."

Sixty-eight percent of the world's cobalt, a significant part of a battery, comes from the Congo. Their mines have no pollution controls, and they employ children who die from handling this toxic material. Should we factor in these diseased kids as part of the cost of driving an electric car?"

I'd like to leave you with these thoughts. California is building the largest battery in the world near San Francisco, and they intend to power it from solar panels and windmills. They claim this is the ultimate in being 'green,' but it is not. This construction project is creating an environmental disaster. Let me tell you why.

The main problem with solar arrays is the chemicals needed to process silicate into the silicon used in the panels. To make pure enough silicon requires processing it with hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, trichloroethane, and acetone. In addition, they also need gallium, arsenide, copper-indium-gallium- diselenide, and cadmium-telluride, which also are highly toxic. Silicon dust is a hazard to the workers, and the panels cannot be recycled.

Windmills are the ultimate in embedded costs and environmental destruction. Each weighs 1688 tons (the equivalent of 23 houses) and contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of iron, 24 tons of fiberglass, and the hard to extract rare earths neodymium, praseodymium, and dysprosium. Each blade weighs 81,000 pounds and will last 15 to 20 years, at which time it must be replaced. We cannot recycle used blades.

There may be a place for these technologies, but you must look beyond the myth of zero emissions.

"Going Green" may sound like the Utopian ideal but when you look at the hidden and embedded costs realistically with an open mind, you can see that Going Green is more destructive to the Earth's environment than meets the eye, for sure.



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From dap1 at bellsouth.net  Mon Mar 14 15:23:28 2022
From: dap1 at bellsouth.net (Dennis Putnam)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2022 17:23:28 -0400
Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are
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The big one being that the electrical grid cannot handle the required load.

On 3/14/2022 5:18 PM, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
> John, if I didn?t know better, I?d say you are against electric cars. 
> ?E=MC2 won?t tell us much - don?t forget the denominator. ?F=MA is a 
> little better, but either way the claim is correct: same amount of 
> energy. ?But there are losses all along the way, and he itemizes one 
> approach, but ignores the analogous itemization on the other. 
> ?Textbook example of pre-existing bias. ?He also overlooks and 
> misstates a lot of quite pertinent information.
>
> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
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> *From:* Rushtalk <rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com> on behalf of John A. 
> Quayle via Rushtalk <rushtalk at csdco.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2022 12:47:36 PM
> *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com <rushtalk at csdco.com>
> *Cc:* John A. Quayle <quaylejohn at aol.com>
> *Subject:* [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are 
> eviroromentally a disaster)
>>>
>>> 	
>>>
>>> 	
>>>
>>> 	Batteries, they do not make electricity ? they store electricity 
>>> produced elsewhere, primarily by coal, uranium, natural gas-powered 
>>> plants, or diesel-fueled generators. So, to say an EV is a 
>>> zero-emission vehicle is not at all valid.
>>>
>>>
>>> Also, since forty percent of the electricity generated in the U.S. 
>>> is from coal-fired plants, it follows that forty percent of the EVs 
>>> on the road are coal-powered, do you see?"
>>>
>>> Einstein's formula, E=MC2, tells us it takes the same amount of 
>>> energy to move a five-thousand-pound gasoline-driven automobile a 
>>> mile as it does an electric one. The only question again is what 
>>> produces the power? To reiterate, it does not come from the battery; 
>>> the battery is only the storage device, like a gas tank in a car.
>>>
>>> There are two orders of batteries, rechargeable, and single-use. The 
>>> most common single-use batteries are A, AA, AAA, C, D. 9V, and 
>>> lantern types. Those dry-cell species use zinc, manganese, lithium, 
>>> silver oxide, or zinc and carbon to store electricity chemically. 
>>> Please note they all contain toxic, heavy metals.(empahsis: MINE!- JAQ)
>>>
>>> Rechargeable batteries only differ in their internal materials, 
>>> usually lithium-ion, nickel-metal oxide, and nickel-cadmium. The 
>>> United States uses three billion of these two battery types a year, 
>>> and most are not recycled; they end up in landfills. California is 
>>> the only state which requires all batteries be recycled. If you 
>>> throw your small, used batteries in the trash, here is what happens 
>>> to them.
>>>
>>> All batteries are self-discharging. That means even when not in use, 
>>> they leak tiny amounts of energy. You have likely ruined a 
>>> flashlight or two from an old, ruptured battery. When a battery runs 
>>> down and can no longer power a toy or light, you think of it as 
>>> dead; well, it is not. It continues to leak small amounts of 
>>> electricity. As the chemicals inside it run out, pressure builds 
>>> inside the battery's metal casing, and eventually, it cracks. The 
>>> metals left inside then ooze out. The ooze in your ruined flashlight 
>>> is toxic, and so is the ooze that will inevitably leak from every 
>>> battery in a landfill. All batteries eventually rupture; it just 
>>> takes rechargeable batteries longer to end up in the landfill.
>>>
>>> In addition to dry cell batteries, there are also wet cell ones used 
>>> in automobiles, boats, and motorcycles. The good thing about those 
>>> is, ninety percent of them are recycled. Unfortunately, we do not 
>>> yet know how to recycle single-use ones properly.
>>>
>>> But that is not half of it. For those of you excited about electric 
>>> cars and a green revolution, I want you to take a closer look at 
>>> batteries and also windmills and solar panels. These three 
>>> technologies share what we call environmentally destructive 
>>> production costs.
>>>
>>> A typical EV battery weighs one thousand pounds, about the size of a 
>>> travel trunk. It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty 
>>> pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 
>>> pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. 
>>> Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells.
>>>
>>> It should concern you that all those toxic components come from 
>>> mining. For instance, to manufacture each EV auto battery, you must 
>>> process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore 
>>> for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 
>>> pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the 
>>> earth's crust for just - one - battery."
>>>
>>> Sixty-eight percent of the world's cobalt, a significant part of a 
>>> battery, comes from the Congo. Their mines have no pollution 
>>> controls, and they employ children who die from handling this toxic 
>>> material. Should we factor in these diseased kids as part of the 
>>> cost of driving an electric car?"
>>>
>>> I'd like to leave you with these thoughts. California is building 
>>> the largest battery in the world near San Francisco, and they intend 
>>> to power it from solar panels and windmills. They claim this is the 
>>> ultimate in being 'green,' but it is not. This construction project 
>>> is creating an environmental disaster. Let me tell you why.
>>>
>>> The main problem with solar arrays is the chemicals needed to 
>>> process silicate into the silicon used in the panels. To make pure 
>>> enough silicon requires processing it with hydrochloric acid, 
>>> sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, trichloroethane, and 
>>> acetone. In addition, they also need gallium, arsenide, 
>>> copper-indium-gallium- diselenide, and cadmium-telluride, which also 
>>> are highly toxic. Silicon dust is a hazard to the workers, and the 
>>> panels cannot be recycled.
>>>
>>> Windmills are the ultimate in embedded costs and environmental 
>>> destruction. Each weighs 1688 tons (the equivalent of 23 houses) and 
>>> contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of iron, 
>>> 24 tons of fiberglass, and the hard to extract rare earths 
>>> neodymium, praseodymium, and dysprosium. Each blade weighs 81,000 
>>> pounds and will last 15 to 20 years, at which time it must be 
>>> replaced. We cannot recycle used blades.
>>>
>>> There may be a place for these technologies, but you must look 
>>> beyond the myth of zero emissions.
>>>
>>> *"Going Green" may sound like the Utopian ideal but when you look at 
>>> the hidden and embedded costs realistically with an open mind, you 
>>> can see that Going Green is more destructive to the Earth's 
>>> environment than meets the eye, for sure.*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from Mail 
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From stephen.frye at outlook.com  Mon Mar 14 15:47:07 2022
From: stephen.frye at outlook.com (Stephen Frye)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2022 21:47:07 +0000
Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are
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I can?t because ?

There are indeed serious issues examine and solve before making the knee-jerk jump to electric.  What I don?t understand is digging in our heels and sticking our fingers in our ears.  This is going to happen.  As fast as Biden?s green team wants it?  No.  But to me this exactly fits into the oft heard paradigm ?if the solution isn?t 100%. The we shouldn?t do anything.?  This planet will run out of oil.  When?  I doubt anybody knows.  I doubt anybody really wants to know.  It?s like knowing when we are going to die.  I agree that having electric forced on us causes immediate and harsh push back.  Especially when it comes to oil.  Oil is viewed by many as life blood.  I remember when I was really young I asked my dad if we would run out of gas.  His answer: not in our lifetime.  Such a typical response.  We preach against the growing debt being kicked down the road, but we live and breathe kicking oil down the road - ?ain?t my problem.?  Again, I am not suggesting some quantum leap into electric.  That will backfire.  But I can?t condone ?I don?t wanna ? either.  I agree; right now there seems to be plenty.  But we will run out.   Why in the world would we sit back and ignore that reality when we have the opportunity to aggressively prepare?  At the end of the day, like so much else, our politics too often drive our thinking.

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The big one being that the electrical grid cannot handle the required load.

On 3/14/2022 5:18 PM, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
John, if I didn?t know better, I?d say you are against electric cars.  E=MC2 won?t tell us much - don?t forget the denominator.  F=MA is a little better, but either way the claim is correct: same amount of energy.  But there are losses all along the way, and he itemizes one approach, but ignores the analogous itemization on the other.  Textbook example of pre-existing bias.  He also overlooks and misstates a lot of quite pertinent information.

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Batteries, they do not make electricity ? they store electricity produced elsewhere, primarily by coal, uranium, natural gas-powered plants, or diesel-fueled generators. So, to say an EV is a zero-emission vehicle is not at all valid.

Also, since forty percent of the electricity generated in the U.S. is from coal-fired plants, it follows that forty percent of the EVs on the road are coal-powered, do you see?"

Einstein's formula, E=MC2, tells us it takes the same amount of energy to move a five-thousand-pound gasoline-driven automobile a mile as it does an electric one. The only question again is what produces the power? To reiterate, it does not come from the battery; the battery is only the storage device, like a gas tank in a car.

There are two orders of batteries, rechargeable, and single-use. The most common single-use batteries are A, AA, AAA, C, D. 9V, and lantern types. Those dry-cell species use zinc, manganese, lithium, silver oxide, or zinc and carbon to store electricity chemically. Please note they all contain toxic, heavy metals. (empahsis: MINE! - JAQ)

Rechargeable batteries only differ in their internal materials, usually lithium-ion, nickel-metal oxide, and nickel-cadmium. The United States uses three billion of these two battery types a year, and most are not recycled; they end up in landfills. California is the only state which requires all batteries be recycled. If you throw your small, used batteries in the trash, here is what happens to them.

All batteries are self-discharging. That means even when not in use, they leak tiny amounts of energy. You have likely ruined a flashlight or two from an old, ruptured battery. When a battery runs down and can no longer power a toy or light, you think of it as dead; well, it is not. It continues to leak small amounts of electricity. As the chemicals inside it run out, pressure builds inside the battery's metal casing, and eventually, it cracks. The metals left inside then ooze out. The ooze in your ruined flashlight is toxic, and so is the ooze that will inevitably leak from every battery in a landfill. All batteries eventually rupture; it just takes rechargeable batteries longer to end up in the landfill.

In addition to dry cell batteries, there are also wet cell ones used in automobiles, boats, and motorcycles. The good thing about those is, ninety percent of them are recycled. Unfortunately, we do not yet know how to recycle single-use ones properly.

But that is not half of it. For those of you excited about electric cars and a green revolution, I want you to take a closer look at batteries and also windmills and solar panels. These three technologies share what we call environmentally destructive production costs.

A typical EV battery weighs one thousand pounds, about the size of a travel trunk. It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells.

It should concern you that all those toxic components come from mining. For instance, to manufacture each EV auto battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth's crust for just - one - battery."

Sixty-eight percent of the world's cobalt, a significant part of a battery, comes from the Congo. Their mines have no pollution controls, and they employ children who die from handling this toxic material. Should we factor in these diseased kids as part of the cost of driving an electric car?"

I'd like to leave you with these thoughts. California is building the largest battery in the world near San Francisco, and they intend to power it from solar panels and windmills. They claim this is the ultimate in being 'green,' but it is not. This construction project is creating an environmental disaster. Let me tell you why.

The main problem with solar arrays is the chemicals needed to process silicate into the silicon used in the panels. To make pure enough silicon requires processing it with hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, trichloroethane, and acetone. In addition, they also need gallium, arsenide, copper-indium-gallium- diselenide, and cadmium-telluride, which also are highly toxic. Silicon dust is a hazard to the workers, and the panels cannot be recycled.

Windmills are the ultimate in embedded costs and environmental destruction. Each weighs 1688 tons (the equivalent of 23 houses) and contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of iron, 24 tons of fiberglass, and the hard to extract rare earths neodymium, praseodymium, and dysprosium. Each blade weighs 81,000 pounds and will last 15 to 20 years, at which time it must be replaced. We cannot recycle used blades.

There may be a place for these technologies, but you must look beyond the myth of zero emissions.

"Going Green" may sound like the Utopian ideal but when you look at the hidden and embedded costs realistically with an open mind, you can see that Going Green is more destructive to the Earth's environment than meets the eye, for sure.



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From: dap1 at bellsouth.net (Dennis Putnam)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2022 17:56:58 -0400
Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are
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I have no problem with electric vehicles. Forcing them on us before they 
become practical (price and infrastructure) is my issue. Nor do I have a 
problem trying to clean up the earth but there has to be a cost/benefit 
analysis component. China and India are the world's largest polluters 
and are exempt from any "world regulations." The US has reduced its 
pollution output more than any other industrialized country. Humankind 
has always figured out solutions to problems and I doubt this will be 
the exception. However, the human race becoming extinct in the next 12, 
10 or 8 years, whatever the current leftist hysteria is, has been 
predicted since the 70's and we are still here and getting better.

On 3/14/2022 5:47 PM, Stephen Frye wrote:
> I can?t because ?
>
> There are indeed serious issues examine and solve before making the 
> knee-jerk jump to electric. ?What I don?t understand is digging in our 
> heels and sticking our fingers in our ears. ?This is going to happen. 
> ?As fast as Biden?s green team wants it? ?No. ?But to me this exactly 
> fits into the oft heard paradigm ?if the solution isn?t 100%. The we 
> shouldn?t do anything.? ?This planet will run out of oil. ?When? ?I 
> doubt anybody knows. ?I doubt anybody really wants to know. ?It?s like 
> knowing when we are going to die. ?I agree that having electric forced 
> on us causes immediate and harsh push back. ?Especially when it comes 
> to oil. ?Oil is viewed by many as life blood. ?I remember when I was 
> really young I asked my dad if we would run out of gas. ?His answer: 
> not in our lifetime. ?Such a typical response. ?We preach against the 
> growing debt being kicked down the road, but we live and breathe 
> kicking oil down the road - ?ain?t my problem.? ?Again, I am not 
> suggesting some quantum leap into electric. ?That will backfire. ?But 
> I can?t condone ?I don?t wanna ? either. ?I agree; right now there 
> seems to be plenty. ?But we will run out. ? Why in the world would we 
> sit back and ignore that reality when we have the opportunity to 
> aggressively prepare? ?At the end of the day, like so much else, our 
> politics too often drive our thinking.
>
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> *Cc:* Dennis Putnam <dap1 at bellsouth.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They 
> are eviroromentally a disaster)
> The big one being that the electrical grid cannot handle the required 
> load.
>
> On 3/14/2022 5:18 PM, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
>> John, if I didn?t know better, I?d say you are against electric cars. 
>> ?E=MC2 won?t tell us much - don?t forget the denominator. ?F=MA is a 
>> little better, but either way the claim is correct: same amount of 
>> energy. ?But there are losses all along the way, and he itemizes one 
>> approach, but ignores the analogous itemization on the other. 
>> ?Textbook example of pre-existing bias. ?He also overlooks and 
>> misstates a lot of quite pertinent information.
>>
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>> *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com> 
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>> *Cc:* John A. Quayle <quaylejohn at aol.com> <mailto:quaylejohn at aol.com>
>> *Subject:* [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are 
>> eviroromentally a disaster)
>>>>
>>>> 	
>>>>
>>>> 	
>>>>
>>>> 	Batteries, they do not make electricity ? they store electricity 
>>>> produced elsewhere, primarily by coal, uranium, natural gas-powered 
>>>> plants, or diesel-fueled generators. So, to say an EV is a 
>>>> zero-emission vehicle is not at all valid.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Also, since forty percent of the electricity generated in the U.S. 
>>>> is from coal-fired plants, it follows that forty percent of the EVs 
>>>> on the road are coal-powered, do you see?"
>>>>
>>>> Einstein's formula, E=MC2, tells us it takes the same amount of 
>>>> energy to move a five-thousand-pound gasoline-driven automobile a 
>>>> mile as it does an electric one. The only question again is what 
>>>> produces the power? To reiterate, it does not come from the 
>>>> battery; the battery is only the storage device, like a gas tank in 
>>>> a car.
>>>>
>>>> There are two orders of batteries, rechargeable, and single-use. 
>>>> The most common single-use batteries are A, AA, AAA, C, D. 9V, and 
>>>> lantern types. Those dry-cell species use zinc, manganese, lithium, 
>>>> silver oxide, or zinc and carbon to store electricity chemically. 
>>>> Please note they all contain toxic, heavy metals.(empahsis: MINE!- JAQ)
>>>>
>>>> Rechargeable batteries only differ in their internal materials, 
>>>> usually lithium-ion, nickel-metal oxide, and nickel-cadmium. The 
>>>> United States uses three billion of these two battery types a year, 
>>>> and most are not recycled; they end up in landfills. California is 
>>>> the only state which requires all batteries be recycled. If you 
>>>> throw your small, used batteries in the trash, here is what happens 
>>>> to them.
>>>>
>>>> All batteries are self-discharging. That means even when not in 
>>>> use, they leak tiny amounts of energy. You have likely ruined a 
>>>> flashlight or two from an old, ruptured battery. When a battery 
>>>> runs down and can no longer power a toy or light, you think of it 
>>>> as dead; well, it is not. It continues to leak small amounts of 
>>>> electricity. As the chemicals inside it run out, pressure builds 
>>>> inside the battery's metal casing, and eventually, it cracks. The 
>>>> metals left inside then ooze out. The ooze in your ruined 
>>>> flashlight is toxic, and so is the ooze that will inevitably leak 
>>>> from every battery in a landfill. All batteries eventually rupture; 
>>>> it just takes rechargeable batteries longer to end up in the landfill.
>>>>
>>>> In addition to dry cell batteries, there are also wet cell ones 
>>>> used in automobiles, boats, and motorcycles. The good thing about 
>>>> those is, ninety percent of them are recycled. Unfortunately, we do 
>>>> not yet know how to recycle single-use ones properly.
>>>>
>>>> But that is not half of it. For those of you excited about electric 
>>>> cars and a green revolution, I want you to take a closer look at 
>>>> batteries and also windmills and solar panels. These three 
>>>> technologies share what we call environmentally destructive 
>>>> production costs.
>>>>
>>>> A typical EV battery weighs one thousand pounds, about the size of 
>>>> a travel trunk. It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty 
>>>> pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 
>>>> pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. 
>>>> Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells.
>>>>
>>>> It should concern you that all those toxic components come from 
>>>> mining. For instance, to manufacture each EV auto battery, you must 
>>>> process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of 
>>>> ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 
>>>> pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of 
>>>> the earth's crust for just - one - battery."
>>>>
>>>> Sixty-eight percent of the world's cobalt, a significant part of a 
>>>> battery, comes from the Congo. Their mines have no pollution 
>>>> controls, and they employ children who die from handling this toxic 
>>>> material. Should we factor in these diseased kids as part of the 
>>>> cost of driving an electric car?"
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to leave you with these thoughts. California is building 
>>>> the largest battery in the world near San Francisco, and they 
>>>> intend to power it from solar panels and windmills. They claim this 
>>>> is the ultimate in being 'green,' but it is not. This construction 
>>>> project is creating an environmental disaster. Let me tell you why.
>>>>
>>>> The main problem with solar arrays is the chemicals needed to 
>>>> process silicate into the silicon used in the panels. To make pure 
>>>> enough silicon requires processing it with hydrochloric acid, 
>>>> sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, trichloroethane, and 
>>>> acetone. In addition, they also need gallium, arsenide, 
>>>> copper-indium-gallium- diselenide, and cadmium-telluride, which 
>>>> also are highly toxic. Silicon dust is a hazard to the workers, and 
>>>> the panels cannot be recycled.
>>>>
>>>> Windmills are the ultimate in embedded costs and environmental 
>>>> destruction. Each weighs 1688 tons (the equivalent of 23 houses) 
>>>> and contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of 
>>>> iron, 24 tons of fiberglass, and the hard to extract rare earths 
>>>> neodymium, praseodymium, and dysprosium. Each blade weighs 81,000 
>>>> pounds and will last 15 to 20 years, at which time it must be 
>>>> replaced. We cannot recycle used blades.
>>>>
>>>> There may be a place for these technologies, but you must look 
>>>> beyond the myth of zero emissions.
>>>>
>>>> *"Going Green" may sound like the Utopian ideal but when you look 
>>>> at the hidden and embedded costs realistically with an open mind, 
>>>> you can see that Going Green is more destructive to the Earth's 
>>>> environment than meets the eye, for sure.*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From stephen.frye at outlook.com  Mon Mar 14 17:54:49 2022
From: stephen.frye at outlook.com (Stephen Frye)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2022 23:54:49 +0000
Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are
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I agree.  It?s the forcing part that gets to me / besides, they haven?t thought it through.  The whole extinction thing is persuasion through fright - supposedly.  Scare everyone into compliance - though that approach mostly worked with Covid.

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I have no problem with electric vehicles. Forcing them on us before they become practical (price and infrastructure) is my issue. Nor do I have a problem trying to clean up the earth but there has to be a cost/benefit analysis component. China and India are the world's largest polluters and are exempt from any "world regulations." The US has reduced its pollution output more than any other industrialized country. Humankind has always figured out solutions to problems and I doubt this will be the exception. However, the human race becoming extinct in the next 12, 10 or 8 years, whatever the current leftist hysteria is, has been predicted since the 70's and we are still here and getting better.

On 3/14/2022 5:47 PM, Stephen Frye wrote:
I can?t because ?

There are indeed serious issues examine and solve before making the knee-jerk jump to electric.  What I don?t understand is digging in our heels and sticking our fingers in our ears.  This is going to happen.  As fast as Biden?s green team wants it?  No.  But to me this exactly fits into the oft heard paradigm ?if the solution isn?t 100%. The we shouldn?t do anything.?  This planet will run out of oil.  When?  I doubt anybody knows.  I doubt anybody really wants to know.  It?s like knowing when we are going to die.  I agree that having electric forced on us causes immediate and harsh push back.  Especially when it comes to oil.  Oil is viewed by many as life blood.  I remember when I was really young I asked my dad if we would run out of gas.  His answer: not in our lifetime.  Such a typical response.  We preach against the growing debt being kicked down the road, but we live and breathe kicking oil down the road - ?ain?t my problem.?  Again, I am not suggesting some quantum leap into electric.  That will backfire.  But I can?t condone ?I don?t wanna ? either.  I agree; right now there seems to be plenty.  But we will run out.   Why in the world would we sit back and ignore that reality when we have the opportunity to aggressively prepare?  At the end of the day, like so much else, our politics too often drive our thinking.

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The big one being that the electrical grid cannot handle the required load.

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John, if I didn?t know better, I?d say you are against electric cars.  E=MC2 won?t tell us much - don?t forget the denominator.  F=MA is a little better, but either way the claim is correct: same amount of energy.  But there are losses all along the way, and he itemizes one approach, but ignores the analogous itemization on the other.  Textbook example of pre-existing bias.  He also overlooks and misstates a lot of quite pertinent information.

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Batteries, they do not make electricity ? they store electricity produced elsewhere, primarily by coal, uranium, natural gas-powered plants, or diesel-fueled generators. So, to say an EV is a zero-emission vehicle is not at all valid.

Also, since forty percent of the electricity generated in the U.S. is from coal-fired plants, it follows that forty percent of the EVs on the road are coal-powered, do you see?"

Einstein's formula, E=MC2, tells us it takes the same amount of energy to move a five-thousand-pound gasoline-driven automobile a mile as it does an electric one. The only question again is what produces the power? To reiterate, it does not come from the battery; the battery is only the storage device, like a gas tank in a car.

There are two orders of batteries, rechargeable, and single-use. The most common single-use batteries are A, AA, AAA, C, D. 9V, and lantern types. Those dry-cell species use zinc, manganese, lithium, silver oxide, or zinc and carbon to store electricity chemically. Please note they all contain toxic, heavy metals. (empahsis: MINE! - JAQ)

Rechargeable batteries only differ in their internal materials, usually lithium-ion, nickel-metal oxide, and nickel-cadmium. The United States uses three billion of these two battery types a year, and most are not recycled; they end up in landfills. California is the only state which requires all batteries be recycled. If you throw your small, used batteries in the trash, here is what happens to them.

All batteries are self-discharging. That means even when not in use, they leak tiny amounts of energy. You have likely ruined a flashlight or two from an old, ruptured battery. When a battery runs down and can no longer power a toy or light, you think of it as dead; well, it is not. It continues to leak small amounts of electricity. As the chemicals inside it run out, pressure builds inside the battery's metal casing, and eventually, it cracks. The metals left inside then ooze out. The ooze in your ruined flashlight is toxic, and so is the ooze that will inevitably leak from every battery in a landfill. All batteries eventually rupture; it just takes rechargeable batteries longer to end up in the landfill.

In addition to dry cell batteries, there are also wet cell ones used in automobiles, boats, and motorcycles. The good thing about those is, ninety percent of them are recycled. Unfortunately, we do not yet know how to recycle single-use ones properly.

But that is not half of it. For those of you excited about electric cars and a green revolution, I want you to take a closer look at batteries and also windmills and solar panels. These three technologies share what we call environmentally destructive production costs.

A typical EV battery weighs one thousand pounds, about the size of a travel trunk. It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells.

It should concern you that all those toxic components come from mining. For instance, to manufacture each EV auto battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth's crust for just - one - battery."

Sixty-eight percent of the world's cobalt, a significant part of a battery, comes from the Congo. Their mines have no pollution controls, and they employ children who die from handling this toxic material. Should we factor in these diseased kids as part of the cost of driving an electric car?"

I'd like to leave you with these thoughts. California is building the largest battery in the world near San Francisco, and they intend to power it from solar panels and windmills. They claim this is the ultimate in being 'green,' but it is not. This construction project is creating an environmental disaster. Let me tell you why.

The main problem with solar arrays is the chemicals needed to process silicate into the silicon used in the panels. To make pure enough silicon requires processing it with hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, trichloroethane, and acetone. In addition, they also need gallium, arsenide, copper-indium-gallium- diselenide, and cadmium-telluride, which also are highly toxic. Silicon dust is a hazard to the workers, and the panels cannot be recycled.

Windmills are the ultimate in embedded costs and environmental destruction. Each weighs 1688 tons (the equivalent of 23 houses) and contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of iron, 24 tons of fiberglass, and the hard to extract rare earths neodymium, praseodymium, and dysprosium. Each blade weighs 81,000 pounds and will last 15 to 20 years, at which time it must be replaced. We cannot recycle used blades.

There may be a place for these technologies, but you must look beyond the myth of zero emissions.

"Going Green" may sound like the Utopian ideal but when you look at the hidden and embedded costs realistically with an open mind, you can see that Going Green is more destructive to the Earth's environment than meets the eye, for sure.



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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are environmentally a disaster)?I have no problem with electric vehicles. Forcing them on us before they become practical (price and infrastructure) is my issue. Nor do I have a problem trying to clean up the earth but there has to be a cost/benefit analysis component. China and India are the world's largest polluters and are exempt from any "world regulations." The US has reduced its pollution output more than any other industrialized country. Humankind has always figured out solutions to problems and I doubt this will be the exception. However, the human race becoming extinct in the next 12, 10 or 8 years, whatever the current leftist hysteria is, has been predicted since the 70's and we are still here and getting better.

On 3/14/2022 5:47 PM, Stephen Frye wrote:

I can?t because ?
There are indeed serious issues examine and solve before making the knee-jerk jump to electric. What I don?t understand is digging in our heels and sticking our fingers in our ears. This is going to happen. As fast as Biden?s green team wants it? ?No. ?But to me this exactly fits into the oft heard paradigm ?if the solution isn?t 100%. The we shouldn?t do anything.? This planet will run out of oil. When? I doubt anybody knows. I doubt anybody really wants to know.? 

??? ??? ??? ??? Stephen, I am not a geologist, nor do I play one on TV. The brother of one of my best friends is a geologist and tells me that the United States alone, has 300 years worth of crude beneath its crust. I have no basis for comparison, so I've taken his word on this - wrong or right. I have no "correct perspective here. Yes, I'm against EVs because I feel they are being shoved down our throats, whether we want them or not. When someone forces me to do something against my will, I tend to get combative. Just wait until my kids put me in a retirement home in a few years (10? 15??). I will be a handful! Dennis is correct......we lack the proper capacity on our grid to handle more than 10% of EVs..............
It?s like knowing when we are going to die. I agree that having electric forced on us causes immediate and harsh push back. Especially when it comes to oil. Oil is viewed by many as life blood. I remember when I was really young I asked my dad if we would run out of gas. His answer: not in our lifetime. Such a typical response. We preach against the growing debt being kicked down the road, but we live and breathe kicking oil down the road - ?ain?t my problem.? Again, I am not suggesting some quantum leap into electric. That will backfire. But I can?t condone ?I don?t wanna ? either. ?I agree; right now there seems to be plenty. ?But we will run out. Why in the world would we sit back and ignore that reality when we have the opportunity to aggressively prepare? At the end of the day, like so much else, our politics too often drive our thinking.
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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are eviroromentally a disaster)?The big one being that the electrical grid cannot handle the required load.

On 3/14/2022 5:18 PM, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:

John, if I didn?t know better, I?d say you are against electric cars. ?E=MC2 won?t tell us much - don?t forget the denominator. ?F=MA is a little better, but either way the claim is correct: same amount of energy. ?But there are losses all along the way, and he itemizes one approach, but ignores the analogous itemization on the other. ?Textbook example of pre-existing bias. ?He also overlooks and misstates a lot of quite pertinent information.
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 | Batteries, they do not make electricity ? they store electricity produced elsewhere, primarily by coal, uranium, natural gas-powered plants, or diesel-fueled generators. So, to say an EV is a zero-emission vehicle is not at all valid. |


Also, since forty percent of the electricity generated in the U.S. is from coal-fired plants, it follows that forty percent of the EVs on the road are coal-powered, do you see?"

Einstein's formula, E=MC2, tells us it takes the same amount of energy to move a five-thousand-pound gasoline-driven automobile a mile as it does an electric one. The only question again is what produces the power? To reiterate, it does not come from the battery; the battery is only the storage device, like a gas tank in a car.

There are two orders of batteries, rechargeable, and single-use. The most common single-use batteries are A, AA, AAA, C, D. 9V, and lantern types. Those dry-cell species use zinc, manganese, lithium, silver oxide, or zinc and carbon to store electricity chemically. Please note they all contain toxic, heavy metals.(empahsis: MINE!- JAQ)

Rechargeable batteries only differ in their internal materials, usually lithium-ion, nickel-metal oxide, and nickel-cadmium. The United States uses three billion of these two battery types a year, and most are not recycled; they end up in landfills. California is the only state which requires all batteries be recycled. If you throw your small, used batteries in the trash, here is what happens to them.

All batteries are self-discharging. That means even when not in use, they leak tiny amounts of energy. You have likely ruined a flashlight or two from an old, ruptured battery. When a battery runs down and can no longer power a toy or light, you think of it as dead; well, it is not. It continues to leak small amounts of electricity. As the chemicals inside it run out, pressure builds inside the battery's metal casing, and eventually, it cracks. The metals left inside then ooze out. The ooze in your ruined flashlight is toxic, and so is the ooze that will inevitably leak from every battery in a landfill. All batteries eventually rupture; it just takes rechargeable batteries longer to end up in the landfill.

In addition to dry cell batteries, there are also wet cell ones used in automobiles, boats, and motorcycles. The good thing about those is, ninety percent of them are recycled. Unfortunately, we do not yet know how to recycle single-use ones properly.

But that is not half of it. For those of you excited about electric cars and a green revolution, I want you to take a closer look at batteries and also windmills and solar panels. These three technologies share what we call environmentally destructive production costs.

A typical EV battery weighs one thousand pounds, about the size of a travel trunk. It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells.

It should concern you that all those toxic components come from mining. For instance, to manufacture each EV auto battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth's crust for just - one - battery."

Sixty-eight percent of the world's cobalt, a significant part of a battery, comes from the Congo. Their mines have no pollution controls, and they employ children who die from handling this toxic material. Should we factor in these diseased kids as part of the cost of driving an electric car?"

I'd like to leave you with these thoughts. California is building the largest battery in the world near San Francisco, and they intend to power it from solar panels and windmills. They claim this is the ultimate in being 'green,' but it is not. This construction project is creating an environmental disaster. Let me tell you why.

The main problem with solar arrays is the chemicals needed to process silicate into the silicon used in the panels. To make pure enough silicon requires processing it with hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, trichloroethane, and acetone. In addition, they also need gallium, arsenide, copper-indium-gallium- diselenide, and cadmium-telluride, which also are highly toxic. Silicon dust is a hazard to the workers, and the panels cannot be recycled.

Windmills are the ultimate in embedded costs and environmental destruction. Each weighs 1688 tons (the equivalent of 23 houses) and contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of iron, 24 tons of fiberglass, and the hard to extract rare earths neodymium, praseodymium, and dysprosium. Each blade weighs 81,000 pounds and will last 15 to 20 years, at which time it must be replaced. We cannot recycle used blades.

There may be a place for these technologies, but you must look beyond the myth of zero emissions.

"Going Green" may sound like the Utopian ideal but when you look at the hidden and embedded costs realistically with an open mind, you can see that Going Green is more destructive to the Earth's environment than meets the eye, for sure.



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From: quaylejohn at aol.com (John  A. Quayle)
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??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Stephen, you are quite correct - I am against having EVs shoved down my throat. I happen to own a handful of classic/antique gasoline-burning cars that I spent a lot of money on them to restore. I don't want some bureaucrat to tell me I'm not allowed to drive them anymore........ 
 
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 John, if I didn?t know better, I?d say you are against electric cars. ?E=MC2 won?t tell us much - don?t forget the denominator. ?F=MA is a little better, but either way the claim is correct: same amount of energy. ?But there are losses all along the way, and he itemizes one approach, but ignores the analogous itemization on the other. ?Textbook example of pre-existing bias. ?He also overlooks and misstates a lot of quite pertinent information.
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 | Batteries, they do not make electricity ? they store electricity produced elsewhere, primarily by coal, uranium, natural gas-powered plants, or diesel-fueled generators. So, to say an EV is a zero-emission vehicle is not at all valid. |


Also, since forty percent of the electricity generated in the U.S. is from coal-fired plants, it follows that forty percent of the EVs on the road are coal-powered, do you see?"

Einstein's formula, E=MC2, tells us it takes the same amount of energy to move a five-thousand-pound gasoline-driven automobile a mile as it does an electric one. The only question again is what produces the power? To reiterate, it does not come from the battery; the battery is only the storage device, like a gas tank in a car.

There are two orders of batteries, rechargeable, and single-use. The most common single-use batteries are A, AA, AAA, C, D. 9V, and lantern types. Those dry-cell species use zinc, manganese, lithium, silver oxide, or zinc and carbon to store electricity chemically. Please note they all contain toxic, heavy metals.(empahsis:MINE!- JAQ)

Rechargeable batteries only differ in their internal materials, usually lithium-ion, nickel-metal oxide, and nickel-cadmium. The United States uses three billion of these two battery types a year, and most are not recycled; they end up in landfills. California is the only state which requires all batteries be recycled. If you throw your small, used batteries in the trash, here is what happens to them.

All batteries are self-discharging. That means even when not in use, they leak tiny amounts of energy. You have likely ruined a flashlight or two from an old, ruptured battery. When a battery runs down and can no longer power a toy or light, you think of it as dead; well, it is not. It continues to leak small amounts of electricity. As the chemicals inside it run out, pressure builds inside the battery's metal casing, and eventually, it cracks. The metals left inside then ooze out. The ooze in your ruined flashlight is toxic, and so is the ooze that will inevitably leak from every battery in a landfill. All batteries eventually rupture; it just takes rechargeable batteries longer to end up in the landfill.

In addition to dry cell batteries, there are also wet cell ones used in automobiles, boats, and motorcycles. The good thing about those is, ninety percent of them are recycled. Unfortunately, we do not yet know how to recycle single-use ones properly.

But that is not half of it. For those of you excited about electric cars and a green revolution, I want you to take a closer look at batteries and also windmills and solar panels. These three technologies share what we call environmentally destructive production costs.

A typical EV battery weighs one thousand pounds, about the size of a travel trunk. It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells.

It should concern you that all those toxic components come from mining. For instance, to manufacture each EV auto battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth's crust for just - one - battery."

Sixty-eight percent of the world's cobalt, a significant part of a battery, comes from the Congo. Their mines have no pollution controls, and they employ children who die from handling this toxic material. Should we factor in these diseased kids as part of the cost of driving an electric car?"

I'd like to leave you with these thoughts. California is building the largest battery in the world near San Francisco, and they intend to power it from solar panels and windmills. They claim this is the ultimate in being 'green,' but it is not. This construction project is creating an environmental disaster. Let me tell you why.

The main problem with solar arrays is the chemicals needed to process silicate into the silicon used in the panels. To make pure enough silicon requires processing it with hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, trichloroethane, and acetone. In addition, they also need gallium, arsenide, copper-indium-gallium- diselenide, and cadmium-telluride, which also are highly toxic. Silicon dust is a hazard to the workers, and the panels cannot be recycled.

Windmills are the ultimate in embedded costs and environmental destruction. Each weighs 1688 tons (the equivalent of 23 houses) and contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of iron, 24 tons of fiberglass, and the hard to extract rare earths neodymium, praseodymium, and dysprosium. Each blade weighs 81,000 pounds and will last 15 to 20 years, at which time it must be replaced. We cannot recycle used blades.

There may be a place for these technologies, but you must look beyond the myth of zero emissions.

"Going Green" may sound like the Utopian ideal but when you look at the hidden and embedded costs realistically with an open mind, you can see that Going Green is more destructive to the Earth's environment than meets the eye, for sure.



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From: quaylejohn at aol.com (John  A. Quayle)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 02:42:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] Just Received This - Dovetails With EVs
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 Here's an astonishing read. Important and verifiable information:?? ??
? 
About 6 months ago, there was a news program on oil and one of The Forbes Bros.?   was the guest.??The host said to Forbes, "I am going to ask you a direct question and I would?   like a direct answer; how much oil does the U.S. Have in the ground?"??Forbes did not miss a?   beat, he said, "More than all the Middle East put Together." 
? 
The U.S. Geological Service issued a report in April 2008 that only Scientists and oil men knew?   was coming, but man was it big.??It was a revised report (hadn't been updated since 1995) on?   how much oil was in this area of the western 2/3 of North Dakota, western South Dakota,?   and Extreme eastern Montana. 
? 
Check THIS out: 
The Bakken is the largest domestic oil discovery since Alaska's Prudhoe Bay and has the?   potential to eliminate all American dependence on foreign oil. The Energy Information?   Administration (EIA) estimates it at 503 billion barrels. Even if just 10% of the oil is recoverable?   (5 Billion barrels), at $107 a barrel, we're looking at a resource base worth more than $5.3 trillion. "When I first briefed legislators on this, you could practically see their Jaws hit the floor. 
? 
They had no idea." says Terry Johnson, the Montana Legislature's financial analyzer.??"This?   ?sizable find is now the highest-producing onshore oil field found in the past 56 years," reports?   The Pittsburgh Post Gazette. 
? 
It's a formation known as the Williston Basin but is more commonly referred to as the 'Bakken.'??   It stretches from Northern Montana, through North Dakota and into Canada.?For years, U.S. Oil exploration has been considered a dead end.??Even the 'Big Oil' companies gave up searching?   for major oil wells decades ago. 
? 
However, a recent technological breakthrough has opened up the Bakken's Massive reserves,?   And, we now have access of up to 500 billion barrels. And because this is Light, sweet oil, those?   billions of barrels will cost Americans just $16 PER BARREL!!!!!? That's enough crude to fully fuel?   the American economy for 2041 years Straight. And if THAT didn't throw you on the floor, then?   this next one should - Because it's from 2006 !!!!!!
? 
U.S. Oil Discovery - Largest Reserve in the World Stansberry Report Online - 4/20/2006.??Hidden?   1,000 feet beneath the surface of the Rocky Mountains lies the Largest untapped oil reserve in?   the world.??It is more than 2 TRILLION barrels. On August 8, 2005 President Bush Mandated its extraction.??In many recent years of high oil prices none has been extracted.??With this mother?   lode of oil why are we still fighting over off-shore Drilling?   ? 
They reported this stunning news:??We have more oil inside our borders, than all the?   other proven reserves on Earth. 
? 
Here are the official estimates: 
? 
?8 times as much oil as Saudi Arabia
? 
18 times as much oil as Iraq 
? 
21 times as much oil as Kuwait 
? 
22 times as much oil as Iran 
? 
500 times as much oil as Yemen 
? 
And it's all right here in the Western United States !!!!!! 
? 
HOW can this BE? HOW can we NOT BE extracting this? Because the Environmentalists and?   others have blocked all efforts to help America become Independent of foreign oil!? Again, we are?   letting a small group of people Dictate our lives and our economy. WHY? 
? 
James Bartis, lead researcher with the study says we've got more oil in this very compact area?   than the entire Middle East, more than 2 TRILLION barrels Untapped. That's more than all the?   proven oil reserves of crude oil in the World today, reports The Denver Post.
? 
Don't think 'OPEC' will drop its price even with this find? Think again!??It's all about the competitive marketplace, it has to.??Think OPEC just might be funding the environmentalists?
? 
Got your attention yet? Now, while you're thinking about it, do this:
? 
Pass this along. If you don't take a little time to do this, then you should stifle yourself the next?   time you complain about gas prices, by doing NOTHING, you forfeit your right to complain. 
? 
Now I just wonder what would happen in this country if every one of you sent this to everyone?   in your address book.?? 
? 
By the way, this can be verified. Check it out at the link below !!!!!!
?                                           USGS Releases Oil and Gas Assessment for the Bakken and Three Forks Formations?
 of Montana and North Dakota | U.S. Geological Survey [usgs.gov]
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From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2022 19:50:44 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] Interesting article on Trump
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trump is one of the smarter Presidents though for his time Jefferson was
smarter.
I like Trumps lack of PC BS and direct truthful, aka insults, to
Americas domestic enemies.


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From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2022 19:52:26 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] Who's Laughing Now?
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Putin is laughing all the way to the bank and I am not even sure he is
one of the oil oligarchs.
He does not need to invade Europe those Trump hating bastards are now
vassals of Russia.

CWSIV

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From tom.matiska at att.net  Tue Mar 15 05:46:12 2022
From: tom.matiska at att.net (Tom Matiska)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 11:46:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] Just Received This - Dovetails With EVs
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 Remember the doomsday "peak oil" predictions of a few short decades ago?? ?The battery industry must be approaching "peak lithium" by now.? ? Tom? ? ?Peak oil, 20 years later: Failed prediction or useful insight? - ScienceDirect
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    Subject: pass this on to all you know  
  
  ?  
  
 Here's an astonishing read. Important and verifiable information:?? ??
? 
About 6 months ago, there was a news program on oil and one of The Forbes Bros.?   was the guest.??The host said to Forbes, "I am going to ask you a direct question and I would?   like a direct answer; how much oil does the U.S. Have in the ground?"??Forbes did not miss a?   beat, he said, "More than all the Middle East put Together." 
? 
The U.S. Geological Service issued a report in April 2008 that only Scientists and oil men knew?   was coming, but man was it big.??It was a revised report (hadn't been updated since 1995) on?   how much oil was in this area of the western 2/3 of North Dakota, western South Dakota,?   and Extreme eastern Montana. 
? 
Check THIS out: 
The Bakken is the largest domestic oil discovery since Alaska's Prudhoe Bay and has the?   potential to eliminate all American dependence on foreign oil. The Energy Information?   Administration (EIA) estimates it at 503 billion barrels. Even if just 10% of the oil is recoverable?   (5 Billion barrels), at $107 a barrel, we're looking at a resource base worth more than $5.3 trillion. "When I first briefed legislators on this, you could practically see their Jaws hit the floor. 
? 
They had no idea." says Terry Johnson, the Montana Legislature's financial analyzer.??"This?   ?sizable find is now the highest-producing onshore oil field found in the past 56 years," reports?   The Pittsburgh Post Gazette. 
? 
It's a formation known as the Williston Basin but is more commonly referred to as the 'Bakken.'??   It stretches from Northern Montana, through North Dakota and into Canada.?For years, U.S. Oil exploration has been considered a dead end.??Even the 'Big Oil' companies gave up searching?   for major oil wells decades ago. 
? 
However, a recent technological breakthrough has opened up the Bakken's Massive reserves,?   And, we now have access of up to 500 billion barrels. And because this is Light, sweet oil, those?   billions of barrels will cost Americans just $16 PER BARREL!!!!!? That's enough crude to fully fuel?   the American economy for 2041 years Straight. And if THAT didn't throw you on the floor, then?   this next one should - Because it's from 2006 !!!!!!
? 
U.S. Oil Discovery - Largest Reserve in the World Stansberry Report Online - 4/20/2006.??Hidden?   1,000 feet beneath the surface of the Rocky Mountains lies the Largest untapped oil reserve in?   the world.??It is more than 2 TRILLION barrels. On August 8, 2005 President Bush Mandated its extraction.??In many recent years of high oil prices none has been extracted.??With this mother?   lode of oil why are we still fighting over off-shore Drilling?   ? 
They reported this stunning news:??We have more oil inside our borders, than all the?   other proven reserves on Earth. 
? 
Here are the official estimates: 
? 
?8 times as much oil as Saudi Arabia
? 
18 times as much oil as Iraq 
? 
21 times as much oil as Kuwait 
? 
22 times as much oil as Iran 
? 
500 times as much oil as Yemen 
? 
And it's all right here in the Western United States !!!!!! 
? 
HOW can this BE? HOW can we NOT BE extracting this? Because the Environmentalists and?   others have blocked all efforts to help America become Independent of foreign oil!? Again, we are?   letting a small group of people Dictate our lives and our economy. WHY? 
? 
James Bartis, lead researcher with the study says we've got more oil in this very compact area?   than the entire Middle East, more than 2 TRILLION barrels Untapped. That's more than all the?   proven oil reserves of crude oil in the World today, reports The Denver Post.
? 
Don't think 'OPEC' will drop its price even with this find? Think again!??It's all about the competitive marketplace, it has to.??Think OPEC just might be funding the environmentalists?
? 
Got your attention yet? Now, while you're thinking about it, do this:
? 
Pass this along. If you don't take a little time to do this, then you should stifle yourself the next?   time you complain about gas prices, by doing NOTHING, you forfeit your right to complain. 
? 
Now I just wonder what would happen in this country if every one of you sent this to everyone?   in your address book.?? 
? 
By the way, this can be verified. Check it out at the link below !!!!!!
?                                           USGS Releases Oil and Gas Assessment for the Bakken and Three Forks Formations?
 of Montana and North Dakota | U.S. Geological Survey [usgs.gov]
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From stephen.frye at outlook.com  Tue Mar 15 10:13:54 2022
From: stephen.frye at outlook.com (Stephen Frye)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 16:13:54 +0000
Subject: [Rushtalk] Interesting article on Trump
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trump is one of the smarter Presidents though for his time Jefferson was smarter.
I like Trumps lack of PC BS and direct truthful, aka insults, to Americas domestic enemies.




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From: quaylejohn at aol.com (John  A. Quayle)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 16:41:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] Interesting article on Trump
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 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Trump is a typical New Yorker, Stephen - I'm not justifying it, but New Yorkers have no sense of self-edit and are generally-speaking, coarse. My dad's mother was like that................
 
 
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 Insulting people has always been one of the greatest persuaders.
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From: stephen.frye at outlook.com (Stephen Frye)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 16:53:48 +0000
Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are
 eviroromentally a disaster)
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I think we have all agreed on the issue of being forced. I don?t believe it has to be an all or nothing proposition.

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                        Stephen, you are quite correct - I am against having EVs shoved down my throat. I happen to own a handful of classic/antique gasoline-burning cars that I spent a lot of money on them to restore. I don't want some bureaucrat to tell me I'm not allowed to drive them anymore........


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John, if I didn?t know better, I?d say you are against electric cars.  E=MC2 won?t tell us much - don?t forget the denominator.  F=MA is a little better, but either way the claim is correct: same amount of energy.  But there are losses all along the way, and he itemizes one approach, but ignores the analogous itemization on the other.  Textbook example of pre-existing bias.  He also overlooks and misstates a lot of quite pertinent information.

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Batteries, they do not make electricity ? they store electricity produced elsewhere, primarily by coal, uranium, natural gas-powered plants, or diesel-fueled generators. So, to say an EV is a zero-emission vehicle is not at all valid.

Also, since forty percent of the electricity generated in the U.S. is from coal-fired plants, it follows that forty percent of the EVs on the road are coal-powered, do you see?"

Einstein's formula, E=MC2, tells us it takes the same amount of energy to move a five-thousand-pound gasoline-driven automobile a mile as it does an electric one. The only question again is what produces the power? To reiterate, it does not come from the battery; the battery is only the storage device, like a gas tank in a car.

There are two orders of batteries, rechargeable, and single-use. The most common single-use batteries are A, AA, AAA, C, D. 9V, and lantern types. Those dry-cell species use zinc, manganese, lithium, silver oxide, or zinc and carbon to store electricity chemically. Please note they all contain toxic, heavy metals. (empahsis: MINE! - JAQ)

Rechargeable batteries only differ in their internal materials, usually lithium-ion, nickel-metal oxide, and nickel-cadmium. The United States uses three billion of these two battery types a year, and most are not recycled; they end up in landfills. California is the only state which requires all batteries be recycled. If you throw your small, used batteries in the trash, here is what happens to them.

All batteries are self-discharging. That means even when not in use, they leak tiny amounts of energy. You have likely ruined a flashlight or two from an old, ruptured battery. When a battery runs down and can no longer power a toy or light, you think of it as dead; well, it is not. It continues to leak small amounts of electricity. As the chemicals inside it run out, pressure builds inside the battery's metal casing, and eventually, it cracks. The metals left inside then ooze out. The ooze in your ruined flashlight is toxic, and so is the ooze that will inevitably leak from every battery in a landfill. All batteries eventually rupture; it just takes rechargeable batteries longer to end up in the landfill.

In addition to dry cell batteries, there are also wet cell ones used in automobiles, boats, and motorcycles. The good thing about those is, ninety percent of them are recycled. Unfortunately, we do not yet know how to recycle single-use ones properly.

But that is not half of it. For those of you excited about electric cars and a green revolution, I want you to take a closer look at batteries and also windmills and solar panels. These three technologies share what we call environmentally destructive production costs.

A typical EV battery weighs one thousand pounds, about the size of a travel trunk. It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells.

It should concern you that all those toxic components come from mining. For instance, to manufacture each EV auto battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth's crust for just - one - battery."

Sixty-eight percent of the world's cobalt, a significant part of a battery, comes from the Congo. Their mines have no pollution controls, and they employ children who die from handling this toxic material. Should we factor in these diseased kids as part of the cost of driving an electric car?"

I'd like to leave you with these thoughts. California is building the largest battery in the world near San Francisco, and they intend to power it from solar panels and windmills. They claim this is the ultimate in being 'green,' but it is not. This construction project is creating an environmental disaster. Let me tell you why.

The main problem with solar arrays is the chemicals needed to process silicate into the silicon used in the panels. To make pure enough silicon requires processing it with hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, trichloroethane, and acetone. In addition, they also need gallium, arsenide, copper-indium-gallium- diselenide, and cadmium-telluride, which also are highly toxic. Silicon dust is a hazard to the workers, and the panels cannot be recycled.

Windmills are the ultimate in embedded costs and environmental destruction. Each weighs 1688 tons (the equivalent of 23 houses) and contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of iron, 24 tons of fiberglass, and the hard to extract rare earths neodymium, praseodymium, and dysprosium. Each blade weighs 81,000 pounds and will last 15 to 20 years, at which time it must be replaced. We cannot recycle used blades.

There may be a place for these technologies, but you must look beyond the myth of zero emissions.

"Going Green" may sound like the Utopian ideal but when you look at the hidden and embedded costs realistically with an open mind, you can see that Going Green is more destructive to the Earth's environment than meets the eye, for sure.



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From quaylejohn at aol.com  Tue Mar 15 10:56:18 2022
From: quaylejohn at aol.com (John  A. Quayle)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 16:56:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are
 eviroromentally a disaster)
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??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Tell that to the current administration!!!! 
 
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From: Stephen Frye <stephen.frye at outlook.com>
To: John A. Quayle <quaylejohn at aol.com>; rushtalk at csdco.com <rushtalk at csdco.com>
Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2022 12:53 pm
Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are eviroromentally a disaster)

 I think we have all agreed on the issue of being forced. I don?t believe it has to be an all or nothing proposition.
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Sent: Monday, March 14, 2022 7:26:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are eviroromentally a disaster)???? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Stephen, you are quite correct - I am against having EVs shoved down my throat. I happen to own a handful of classic/antique gasoline-burning cars that I spent a lot of money on them to restore. I don't want some bureaucrat to tell me I'm not allowed to drive them anymore........

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From: Stephen Frye <stephen.frye at outlook.com>
To: rushtalk at csdco.com <rushtalk at csdco.com>
Cc: John A. Quayle <quaylejohn at aol.com>
Sent: Mon, Mar 14, 2022 5:18 pm
Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are eviroromentally a disaster)

John, if I didn?t know better, I?d say you are against electric cars. ?E=MC2 won?t tell us much - don?t forget the denominator. ?F=MA is a little better, but either way the claim is correct: same amount of energy. ?But there are losses all along the way, and he itemizes one approach, but ignores the analogous itemization on the other. ?Textbook example of pre-existing bias. ?He also overlooks and misstates a lot of quite pertinent information.
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Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2022 12:47:36 PM
To: rushtalk at csdco.com <rushtalk at csdco.com>
Cc: John A. Quayle <quaylejohn at aol.com>
Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are eviroromentally a disaster)?


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 | Batteries, they do not make electricity ? they store electricity produced elsewhere, primarily by coal, uranium, natural gas-powered plants, or diesel-fueled generators. So, to say an EV is a zero-emission vehicle is not at all valid. |


Also, since forty percent of the electricity generated in the U.S. is from coal-fired plants, it follows that forty percent of the EVs on the road are coal-powered, do you see?"

Einstein's formula, E=MC2, tells us it takes the same amount of energy to move a five-thousand-pound gasoline-driven automobile a mile as it does an electric one. The only question again is what produces the power? To reiterate, it does not come from the battery; the battery is only the storage device, like a gas tank in a car.

There are two orders of batteries, rechargeable, and single-use. The most common single-use batteries are A, AA, AAA, C, D. 9V, and lantern types. Those dry-cell species use zinc, manganese, lithium, silver oxide, or zinc and carbon to store electricity chemically. Please note they all contain toxic, heavy metals.(empahsis:MINE!- JAQ)

Rechargeable batteries only differ in their internal materials, usually lithium-ion, nickel-metal oxide, and nickel-cadmium. The United States uses three billion of these two battery types a year, and most are not recycled; they end up in landfills. California is the only state which requires all batteries be recycled. If you throw your small, used batteries in the trash, here is what happens to them.

All batteries are self-discharging. That means even when not in use, they leak tiny amounts of energy. You have likely ruined a flashlight or two from an old, ruptured battery. When a battery runs down and can no longer power a toy or light, you think of it as dead; well, it is not. It continues to leak small amounts of electricity. As the chemicals inside it run out, pressure builds inside the battery's metal casing, and eventually, it cracks. The metals left inside then ooze out. The ooze in your ruined flashlight is toxic, and so is the ooze that will inevitably leak from every battery in a landfill. All batteries eventually rupture; it just takes rechargeable batteries longer to end up in the landfill.

In addition to dry cell batteries, there are also wet cell ones used in automobiles, boats, and motorcycles. The good thing about those is, ninety percent of them are recycled. Unfortunately, we do not yet know how to recycle single-use ones properly.

But that is not half of it. For those of you excited about electric cars and a green revolution, I want you to take a closer look at batteries and also windmills and solar panels. These three technologies share what we call environmentally destructive production costs.

A typical EV battery weighs one thousand pounds, about the size of a travel trunk. It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells.

It should concern you that all those toxic components come from mining. For instance, to manufacture each EV auto battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth's crust for just - one - battery."

Sixty-eight percent of the world's cobalt, a significant part of a battery, comes from the Congo. Their mines have no pollution controls, and they employ children who die from handling this toxic material. Should we factor in these diseased kids as part of the cost of driving an electric car?"

I'd like to leave you with these thoughts. California is building the largest battery in the world near San Francisco, and they intend to power it from solar panels and windmills. They claim this is the ultimate in being 'green,' but it is not. This construction project is creating an environmental disaster. Let me tell you why.

The main problem with solar arrays is the chemicals needed to process silicate into the silicon used in the panels. To make pure enough silicon requires processing it with hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, trichloroethane, and acetone. In addition, they also need gallium, arsenide, copper-indium-gallium- diselenide, and cadmium-telluride, which also are highly toxic. Silicon dust is a hazard to the workers, and the panels cannot be recycled.

Windmills are the ultimate in embedded costs and environmental destruction. Each weighs 1688 tons (the equivalent of 23 houses) and contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of iron, 24 tons of fiberglass, and the hard to extract rare earths neodymium, praseodymium, and dysprosium. Each blade weighs 81,000 pounds and will last 15 to 20 years, at which time it must be replaced. We cannot recycle used blades.

There may be a place for these technologies, but you must look beyond the myth of zero emissions.

"Going Green" may sound like the Utopian ideal but when you look at the hidden and embedded costs realistically with an open mind, you can see that Going Green is more destructive to the Earth's environment than meets the eye, for sure.



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From dap1 at bellsouth.net  Tue Mar 15 11:03:06 2022
From: dap1 at bellsouth.net (Dennis Putnam)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 13:03:06 -0400
Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are
 eviroromentally a disaster)
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Yes, sadly it is Brandon's way or the highway. A new Congress may slow 
it down if enough RINOs are primaried out. But not much significant can 
happen until after the 2024 election and the entire bureaucracy can be 
purged. That seems highly unlikely no matter who wins in 2024. I'm 
afraid I am becoming as pessimistic as Stephen.

On 3/15/2022 12:56 PM, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
> Tell that to the current administration!!!!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Frye <stephen.frye at outlook.com>
> To: John A. Quayle <quaylejohn at aol.com>; rushtalk at csdco.com 
> <rushtalk at csdco.com>
> Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2022 12:53 pm
> Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are 
> eviroromentally a disaster)
>
> I think we have all agreed on the issue of being forced. I don?t 
> believe it has to be an all or nothing proposition.
>
> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* John A. Quayle <quaylejohn at aol.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 14, 2022 7:26:01 PM
> *To:* stephen.frye at outlook.com <stephen.frye at outlook.com>; 
> rushtalk at csdco.com <rushtalk at csdco.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They 
> are eviroromentally a disaster)
> Stephen, you are quite correct - I am against having EVs shoved down 
> my throat. I happen to own a handful of classic/antique 
> gasoline-burning cars that I spent a lot of money on them to restore. 
> I don't want some bureaucrat to tell me I'm not allowed to drive them 
> anymore........
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Frye <stephen.frye at outlook.com>
> To: rushtalk at csdco.com <rushtalk at csdco.com>
> Cc: John A. Quayle <quaylejohn at aol.com>
> Sent: Mon, Mar 14, 2022 5:18 pm
> Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are 
> eviroromentally a disaster)
>
> John, if I didn?t know better, I?d say you are against electric cars. 
> ?E=MC2 won?t tell us much - don?t forget the denominator. ?F=MA is a 
> little better, but either way the claim is correct: same amount of 
> energy. ?But there are losses all along the way, and he itemizes one 
> approach, but ignores the analogous itemization on the other. 
> ?Textbook example of pre-existing bias. ?He also overlooks and 
> misstates a lot of quite pertinent information.
>
> Get Outlook for iOS 
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2Fo0ukef&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cff092215d5bd424e39de08da062b2747%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637829079663790003%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=%2FDA1jrFUttphYAFxK5OSyB7cigUH218WjPjTi%2BD2zcY%3D&reserved=0>
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> *From:* Rushtalk <rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com> on behalf of John A. 
> Quayle via Rushtalk <rushtalk at csdco.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2022 12:47:36 PM
> *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com <rushtalk at csdco.com>
> *Cc:* John A. Quayle <quaylejohn at aol.com>
> *Subject:* [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are 
> eviroromentally a disaster)
>>>
>>> 	
>>>
>>> 	
>>>
>>> 	Batteries, they do not make electricity ? they store electricity 
>>> produced elsewhere, primarily by coal, uranium, natural gas-powered 
>>> plants, or diesel-fueled generators. So, to say an EV is a 
>>> zero-emission vehicle is not at all valid.
>>>
>>>
>>> Also, since forty percent of the electricity generated in the U.S. 
>>> is from coal-fired plants, it follows that forty percent of the EVs 
>>> on the road are coal-powered, do you see?"
>>>
>>> Einstein's formula, E=MC2, tells us it takes the same amount of 
>>> energy to move a five-thousand-pound gasoline-driven automobile a 
>>> mile as it does an electric one. The only question again is what 
>>> produces the power? To reiterate, it does not come from the battery; 
>>> the battery is only the storage device, like a gas tank in a car.
>>>
>>> There are two orders of batteries, rechargeable, and single-use. The 
>>> most common single-use batteries are A, AA, AAA, C, D. 9V, and 
>>> lantern types. Those dry-cell species use zinc, manganese, lithium, 
>>> silver oxide, or zinc and carbon to store electricity chemically. 
>>> Please note they all contain toxic, heavy metals.(empahsis: MINE!- JAQ)
>>>
>>> Rechargeable batteries only differ in their internal materials, 
>>> usually lithium-ion, nickel-metal oxide, and nickel-cadmium. The 
>>> United States uses three billion of these two battery types a year, 
>>> and most are not recycled; they end up in landfills. California is 
>>> the only state which requires all batteries be recycled. If you 
>>> throw your small, used batteries in the trash, here is what happens 
>>> to them.
>>>
>>> All batteries are self-discharging. That means even when not in use, 
>>> they leak tiny amounts of energy. You have likely ruined a 
>>> flashlight or two from an old, ruptured battery. When a battery runs 
>>> down and can no longer power a toy or light, you think of it as 
>>> dead; well, it is not. It continues to leak small amounts of 
>>> electricity. As the chemicals inside it run out, pressure builds 
>>> inside the battery's metal casing, and eventually, it cracks. The 
>>> metals left inside then ooze out. The ooze in your ruined flashlight 
>>> is toxic, and so is the ooze that will inevitably leak from every 
>>> battery in a landfill. All batteries eventually rupture; it just 
>>> takes rechargeable batteries longer to end up in the landfill.
>>>
>>> In addition to dry cell batteries, there are also wet cell ones used 
>>> in automobiles, boats, and motorcycles. The good thing about those 
>>> is, ninety percent of them are recycled. Unfortunately, we do not 
>>> yet know how to recycle single-use ones properly.
>>>
>>> But that is not half of it. For those of you excited about electric 
>>> cars and a green revolution, I want you to take a closer look at 
>>> batteries and also windmills and solar panels. These three 
>>> technologies share what we call environmentally destructive 
>>> production costs.
>>>
>>> A typical EV battery weighs one thousand pounds, about the size of a 
>>> travel trunk. It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty 
>>> pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 
>>> pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. 
>>> Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells.
>>>
>>> It should concern you that all those toxic components come from 
>>> mining. For instance, to manufacture each EV auto battery, you must 
>>> process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore 
>>> for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 
>>> pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the 
>>> earth's crust for just - one - battery."
>>>
>>> Sixty-eight percent of the world's cobalt, a significant part of a 
>>> battery, comes from the Congo. Their mines have no pollution 
>>> controls, and they employ children who die from handling this toxic 
>>> material. Should we factor in these diseased kids as part of the 
>>> cost of driving an electric car?"
>>>
>>> I'd like to leave you with these thoughts. California is building 
>>> the largest battery in the world near San Francisco, and they intend 
>>> to power it from solar panels and windmills. They claim this is the 
>>> ultimate in being 'green,' but it is not. This construction project 
>>> is creating an environmental disaster. Let me tell you why.
>>>
>>> The main problem with solar arrays is the chemicals needed to 
>>> process silicate into the silicon used in the panels. To make pure 
>>> enough silicon requires processing it with hydrochloric acid, 
>>> sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, trichloroethane, and 
>>> acetone. In addition, they also need gallium, arsenide, 
>>> copper-indium-gallium- diselenide, and cadmium-telluride, which also 
>>> are highly toxic. Silicon dust is a hazard to the workers, and the 
>>> panels cannot be recycled.
>>>
>>> Windmills are the ultimate in embedded costs and environmental 
>>> destruction. Each weighs 1688 tons (the equivalent of 23 houses) and 
>>> contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of iron, 
>>> 24 tons of fiberglass, and the hard to extract rare earths 
>>> neodymium, praseodymium, and dysprosium. Each blade weighs 81,000 
>>> pounds and will last 15 to 20 years, at which time it must be 
>>> replaced. We cannot recycle used blades.
>>>
>>> There may be a place for these technologies, but you must look 
>>> beyond the myth of zero emissions.
>>>
>>> *"Going Green" may sound like the Utopian ideal but when you look at 
>>> the hidden and embedded costs realistically with an open mind, you 
>>> can see that Going Green is more destructive to the Earth's 
>>> environment than meets the eye, for sure.*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from Mail 
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From stephen.frye at outlook.com  Tue Mar 15 11:03:38 2022
From: stephen.frye at outlook.com (Stephen Frye)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 17:03:38 +0000
Subject: [Rushtalk] Interesting article on Trump
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I call it rude.  It?s a world-wide reputation for New Yorkers.  Our foreign students come over always amazed at the general politeness, as they have all heard of New York.  I just think it?s inappropriate of professional people, but it is what it is.

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From: John A. Quayle <quaylejohn at aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 9:41:06 AM
To: rushtalk at csdco.com <rushtalk at csdco.com>
Cc: stephen.frye at outlook.com <stephen.frye at outlook.com>; cwsiv at juno.com <cwsiv at juno.com>
Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Interesting article on Trump

                        Trump is a typical New Yorker, Stephen - I'm not justifying it, but New Yorkers have no sense of self-edit and are generally-speaking, coarse. My dad's mother was like that................


-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Frye via Rushtalk <rushtalk at csdco.com>
To: rushtalk at csdco.com <rushtalk at csdco.com>
Cc: Stephen Frye <stephen.frye at outlook.com>; Carl Spitzer {C Juno} <cwsiv at juno.com>
Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2022 12:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Interesting article on Trump

Insulting people has always been one of the greatest persuaders.

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Sent: Monday, March 14, 2022 7:50:44 PM
To: rushtalk at csdco.com <rushtalk at csdco.com>
Cc: Carl Spitzer {C Juno} <cwsiv at juno.com>
Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Interesting article on Trump

trump is one of the smarter Presidents though for his time Jefferson was smarter.
I like Trumps lack of PC BS and direct truthful, aka insults, to Americas domestic enemies.



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From stephen.frye at outlook.com  Tue Mar 15 11:12:22 2022
From: stephen.frye at outlook.com (Stephen Frye)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 17:12:22 +0000
Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are
 eviroromentally a disaster)
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I don?t know if I?m a pessimist or just a realist.  In life in general, I am happy and always look forward to tomorrow.  I am only disheartened by watching the devolution, and I know that entropy always increases.  I don?t know if it was you or John who mentioned that the other major powers are taken few, if any, steps towards cleaning the environment.  If we extrapolate that to governments, then what we do in 2024 and beyond will have little effect.  There definitely some things we can improve.  No doubt.  But we are kidding ourselves if we dare harbor a thought that we can ever ?go back?.  There is just too much progressive momentum.  The entire Brandon political machine has caused more damage and human harm in the short time I would have never thought possible.  I don?t think that?s pessimism.  I also believe that the world will see a reset, but I seriously doubt it will turn out the way the Brandonites hope and believe.

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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are eviroromentally a disaster)

Yes, sadly it is Brandon's way or the highway. A new Congress may slow it down if enough RINOs are primaried out. But not much significant can happen until after the 2024 election and the entire bureaucracy can be purged. That seems highly unlikely no matter who wins in 2024. I'm afraid I am becoming as pessimistic as Stephen.

On 3/15/2022 12:56 PM, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
                        Tell that to the current administration!!!!


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I think we have all agreed on the issue of being forced. I don?t believe it has to be an all or nothing proposition.

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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are eviroromentally a disaster)

                        Stephen, you are quite correct - I am against having EVs shoved down my throat. I happen to own a handful of classic/antique gasoline-burning cars that I spent a lot of money on them to restore. I don't want some bureaucrat to tell me I'm not allowed to drive them anymore........


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John, if I didn?t know better, I?d say you are against electric cars.  E=MC2 won?t tell us much - don?t forget the denominator.  F=MA is a little better, but either way the claim is correct: same amount of energy.  But there are losses all along the way, and he itemizes one approach, but ignores the analogous itemization on the other.  Textbook example of pre-existing bias.  He also overlooks and misstates a lot of quite pertinent information.

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Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are eviroromentally a disaster)






Batteries, they do not make electricity ? they store electricity produced elsewhere, primarily by coal, uranium, natural gas-powered plants, or diesel-fueled generators. So, to say an EV is a zero-emission vehicle is not at all valid.

Also, since forty percent of the electricity generated in the U.S. is from coal-fired plants, it follows that forty percent of the EVs on the road are coal-powered, do you see?"

Einstein's formula, E=MC2, tells us it takes the same amount of energy to move a five-thousand-pound gasoline-driven automobile a mile as it does an electric one. The only question again is what produces the power? To reiterate, it does not come from the battery; the battery is only the storage device, like a gas tank in a car.

There are two orders of batteries, rechargeable, and single-use. The most common single-use batteries are A, AA, AAA, C, D. 9V, and lantern types. Those dry-cell species use zinc, manganese, lithium, silver oxide, or zinc and carbon to store electricity chemically. Please note they all contain toxic, heavy metals. (empahsis: MINE! - JAQ)

Rechargeable batteries only differ in their internal materials, usually lithium-ion, nickel-metal oxide, and nickel-cadmium. The United States uses three billion of these two battery types a year, and most are not recycled; they end up in landfills. California is the only state which requires all batteries be recycled. If you throw your small, used batteries in the trash, here is what happens to them.

All batteries are self-discharging. That means even when not in use, they leak tiny amounts of energy. You have likely ruined a flashlight or two from an old, ruptured battery. When a battery runs down and can no longer power a toy or light, you think of it as dead; well, it is not. It continues to leak small amounts of electricity. As the chemicals inside it run out, pressure builds inside the battery's metal casing, and eventually, it cracks. The metals left inside then ooze out. The ooze in your ruined flashlight is toxic, and so is the ooze that will inevitably leak from every battery in a landfill. All batteries eventually rupture; it just takes rechargeable batteries longer to end up in the landfill.

In addition to dry cell batteries, there are also wet cell ones used in automobiles, boats, and motorcycles. The good thing about those is, ninety percent of them are recycled. Unfortunately, we do not yet know how to recycle single-use ones properly.

But that is not half of it. For those of you excited about electric cars and a green revolution, I want you to take a closer look at batteries and also windmills and solar panels. These three technologies share what we call environmentally destructive production costs.

A typical EV battery weighs one thousand pounds, about the size of a travel trunk. It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells.

It should concern you that all those toxic components come from mining. For instance, to manufacture each EV auto battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth's crust for just - one - battery."

Sixty-eight percent of the world's cobalt, a significant part of a battery, comes from the Congo. Their mines have no pollution controls, and they employ children who die from handling this toxic material. Should we factor in these diseased kids as part of the cost of driving an electric car?"

I'd like to leave you with these thoughts. California is building the largest battery in the world near San Francisco, and they intend to power it from solar panels and windmills. They claim this is the ultimate in being 'green,' but it is not. This construction project is creating an environmental disaster. Let me tell you why.

The main problem with solar arrays is the chemicals needed to process silicate into the silicon used in the panels. To make pure enough silicon requires processing it with hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, trichloroethane, and acetone. In addition, they also need gallium, arsenide, copper-indium-gallium- diselenide, and cadmium-telluride, which also are highly toxic. Silicon dust is a hazard to the workers, and the panels cannot be recycled.

Windmills are the ultimate in embedded costs and environmental destruction. Each weighs 1688 tons (the equivalent of 23 houses) and contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of iron, 24 tons of fiberglass, and the hard to extract rare earths neodymium, praseodymium, and dysprosium. Each blade weighs 81,000 pounds and will last 15 to 20 years, at which time it must be replaced. We cannot recycle used blades.

There may be a place for these technologies, but you must look beyond the myth of zero emissions.

"Going Green" may sound like the Utopian ideal but when you look at the hidden and embedded costs realistically with an open mind, you can see that Going Green is more destructive to the Earth's environment than meets the eye, for sure.



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From stephen.frye at outlook.com  Tue Mar 15 11:14:37 2022
From: stephen.frye at outlook.com (Stephen Frye)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 17:14:37 +0000
Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are
 eviroromentally a disaster)
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I called them yesterday.  I?m still on hold, but my call is very important, and someone will be with me - shortly. In the mean time, I am being offered an opportunity to extend my car?s warranty.

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                        Tell that to the current administration!!!!


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I think we have all agreed on the issue of being forced. I don?t believe it has to be an all or nothing proposition.

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                        Stephen, you are quite correct - I am against having EVs shoved down my throat. I happen to own a handful of classic/antique gasoline-burning cars that I spent a lot of money on them to restore. I don't want some bureaucrat to tell me I'm not allowed to drive them anymore........


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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are eviroromentally a disaster)

John, if I didn?t know better, I?d say you are against electric cars.  E=MC2 won?t tell us much - don?t forget the denominator.  F=MA is a little better, but either way the claim is correct: same amount of energy.  But there are losses all along the way, and he itemizes one approach, but ignores the analogous itemization on the other.  Textbook example of pre-existing bias.  He also overlooks and misstates a lot of quite pertinent information.

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Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are eviroromentally a disaster)






Batteries, they do not make electricity ? they store electricity produced elsewhere, primarily by coal, uranium, natural gas-powered plants, or diesel-fueled generators. So, to say an EV is a zero-emission vehicle is not at all valid.

Also, since forty percent of the electricity generated in the U.S. is from coal-fired plants, it follows that forty percent of the EVs on the road are coal-powered, do you see?"

Einstein's formula, E=MC2, tells us it takes the same amount of energy to move a five-thousand-pound gasoline-driven automobile a mile as it does an electric one. The only question again is what produces the power? To reiterate, it does not come from the battery; the battery is only the storage device, like a gas tank in a car.

There are two orders of batteries, rechargeable, and single-use. The most common single-use batteries are A, AA, AAA, C, D. 9V, and lantern types. Those dry-cell species use zinc, manganese, lithium, silver oxide, or zinc and carbon to store electricity chemically. Please note they all contain toxic, heavy metals. (empahsis: MINE! - JAQ)

Rechargeable batteries only differ in their internal materials, usually lithium-ion, nickel-metal oxide, and nickel-cadmium. The United States uses three billion of these two battery types a year, and most are not recycled; they end up in landfills. California is the only state which requires all batteries be recycled. If you throw your small, used batteries in the trash, here is what happens to them.

All batteries are self-discharging. That means even when not in use, they leak tiny amounts of energy. You have likely ruined a flashlight or two from an old, ruptured battery. When a battery runs down and can no longer power a toy or light, you think of it as dead; well, it is not. It continues to leak small amounts of electricity. As the chemicals inside it run out, pressure builds inside the battery's metal casing, and eventually, it cracks. The metals left inside then ooze out. The ooze in your ruined flashlight is toxic, and so is the ooze that will inevitably leak from every battery in a landfill. All batteries eventually rupture; it just takes rechargeable batteries longer to end up in the landfill.

In addition to dry cell batteries, there are also wet cell ones used in automobiles, boats, and motorcycles. The good thing about those is, ninety percent of them are recycled. Unfortunately, we do not yet know how to recycle single-use ones properly.

But that is not half of it. For those of you excited about electric cars and a green revolution, I want you to take a closer look at batteries and also windmills and solar panels. These three technologies share what we call environmentally destructive production costs.

A typical EV battery weighs one thousand pounds, about the size of a travel trunk. It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells.

It should concern you that all those toxic components come from mining. For instance, to manufacture each EV auto battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth's crust for just - one - battery."

Sixty-eight percent of the world's cobalt, a significant part of a battery, comes from the Congo. Their mines have no pollution controls, and they employ children who die from handling this toxic material. Should we factor in these diseased kids as part of the cost of driving an electric car?"

I'd like to leave you with these thoughts. California is building the largest battery in the world near San Francisco, and they intend to power it from solar panels and windmills. They claim this is the ultimate in being 'green,' but it is not. This construction project is creating an environmental disaster. Let me tell you why.

The main problem with solar arrays is the chemicals needed to process silicate into the silicon used in the panels. To make pure enough silicon requires processing it with hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, trichloroethane, and acetone. In addition, they also need gallium, arsenide, copper-indium-gallium- diselenide, and cadmium-telluride, which also are highly toxic. Silicon dust is a hazard to the workers, and the panels cannot be recycled.

Windmills are the ultimate in embedded costs and environmental destruction. Each weighs 1688 tons (the equivalent of 23 houses) and contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of iron, 24 tons of fiberglass, and the hard to extract rare earths neodymium, praseodymium, and dysprosium. Each blade weighs 81,000 pounds and will last 15 to 20 years, at which time it must be replaced. We cannot recycle used blades.

There may be a place for these technologies, but you must look beyond the myth of zero emissions.

"Going Green" may sound like the Utopian ideal but when you look at the hidden and embedded costs realistically with an open mind, you can see that Going Green is more destructive to the Earth's environment than meets the eye, for sure.



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From: stephen.frye at outlook.com (Stephen Frye)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 17:20:18 +0000
Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are
 eviroromentally a disaster)
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John, I agree with you on this point.  It?s the same objection I have when people tell me I have to live according to their religion.  It?s off topic, I know.  But the underlying principles are the same.  None of us liked to be ?forced?.  We push back as hard as, if not harder than, we are being pushed.  Pushers don?t see that, but the pushees definitely do.

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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are eviroromentally a disaster)


Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are environmentally a disaster)

I have no problem with electric vehicles. Forcing them on us before they become practical (price and infrastructure) is my issue. Nor do I have a problem trying to clean up the earth but there has to be a cost/benefit analysis component. China and India are the world's largest polluters and are exempt from any "world regulations." The US has reduced its pollution output more than any other industrialized country. Humankind has always figured out solutions to problems and I doubt this will be the exception. However, the human race becoming extinct in the next 12, 10 or 8 years, whatever the current leftist hysteria is, has been predicted since the 70's and we are still here and getting better.

On 3/14/2022 5:47 PM, Stephen Frye wrote:
I can?t because ?

There are indeed serious issues examine and solve before making the knee-jerk jump to electric. What I don?t understand is digging in our heels and sticking our fingers in our ears. This is going to happen. As fast as Biden?s green team wants it?  No.  But to me this exactly fits into the oft heard paradigm ?if the solution isn?t 100%. The we shouldn?t do anything.? This planet will run out of oil. When? I doubt anybody knows. I doubt anybody really wants to know.

                Stephen, I am not a geologist, nor do I play one on TV. The brother of one of my best friends is a geologist and tells me that the United States alone, has 300 years worth of crude beneath its crust. I have no basis for comparison, so I've taken his word on this - wrong or right. I have no "correct perspective here. Yes, I'm against EVs because I feel they are being shoved down our throats, whether we want them or not. When someone forces me to do something against my will, I tend to get combative. Just wait until my kids put me in a retirement home in a few years (10? 15??). I will be a handful! Dennis is correct......we lack the proper capacity on our grid to handle more than 10% of EVs..............

It?s like knowing when we are going to die. I agree that having electric forced on us causes immediate and harsh push back. Especially when it comes to oil. Oil is viewed by many as life blood. I remember when I was really young I asked my dad if we would run out of gas. His answer: not in our lifetime. Such a typical response. We preach against the growing debt being kicked down the road, but we live and breathe kicking oil down the road - ?ain?t my problem.? Again, I am not suggesting some quantum leap into electric. That will backfire. But I can?t condone ?I don?t wanna ? either.  I agree; right now there seems to be plenty.  But we will run out. Why in the world would we sit back and ignore that reality when we have the opportunity to aggressively prepare? At the end of the day, like so much else, our politics too often drive our thinking.

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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are eviroromentally a disaster)

The big one being that the electrical grid cannot handle the required load.

On 3/14/2022 5:18 PM, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
John, if I didn?t know better, I?d say you are against electric cars.  E=MC2 won?t tell us much - don?t forget the denominator.  F=MA is a little better, but either way the claim is correct: same amount of energy.  But there are losses all along the way, and he itemizes one approach, but ignores the analogous itemization on the other.  Textbook example of pre-existing bias.  He also overlooks and misstates a lot of quite pertinent information.

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Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are eviroromentally a disaster)






Batteries, they do not make electricity ? they store electricity produced elsewhere, primarily by coal, uranium, natural gas-powered plants, or diesel-fueled generators. So, to say an EV is a zero-emission vehicle is not at all valid.

Also, since forty percent of the electricity generated in the U.S. is from coal-fired plants, it follows that forty percent of the EVs on the road are coal-powered, do you see?"

Einstein's formula, E=MC2, tells us it takes the same amount of energy to move a five-thousand-pound gasoline-driven automobile a mile as it does an electric one. The only question again is what produces the power? To reiterate, it does not come from the battery; the battery is only the storage device, like a gas tank in a car.

There are two orders of batteries, rechargeable, and single-use. The most common single-use batteries are A, AA, AAA, C, D. 9V, and lantern types. Those dry-cell species use zinc, manganese, lithium, silver oxide, or zinc and carbon to store electricity chemically. Please note they all contain toxic, heavy metals. (empahsis: MINE! - JAQ)

Rechargeable batteries only differ in their internal materials, usually lithium-ion, nickel-metal oxide, and nickel-cadmium. The United States uses three billion of these two battery types a year, and most are not recycled; they end up in landfills. California is the only state which requires all batteries be recycled. If you throw your small, used batteries in the trash, here is what happens to them.

All batteries are self-discharging. That means even when not in use, they leak tiny amounts of energy. You have likely ruined a flashlight or two from an old, ruptured battery. When a battery runs down and can no longer power a toy or light, you think of it as dead; well, it is not. It continues to leak small amounts of electricity. As the chemicals inside it run out, pressure builds inside the battery's metal casing, and eventually, it cracks. The metals left inside then ooze out. The ooze in your ruined flashlight is toxic, and so is the ooze that will inevitably leak from every battery in a landfill. All batteries eventually rupture; it just takes rechargeable batteries longer to end up in the landfill.

In addition to dry cell batteries, there are also wet cell ones used in automobiles, boats, and motorcycles. The good thing about those is, ninety percent of them are recycled. Unfortunately, we do not yet know how to recycle single-use ones properly.

But that is not half of it. For those of you excited about electric cars and a green revolution, I want you to take a closer look at batteries and also windmills and solar panels. These three technologies share what we call environmentally destructive production costs.

A typical EV battery weighs one thousand pounds, about the size of a travel trunk. It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells.

It should concern you that all those toxic components come from mining. For instance, to manufacture each EV auto battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth's crust for just - one - battery."

Sixty-eight percent of the world's cobalt, a significant part of a battery, comes from the Congo. Their mines have no pollution controls, and they employ children who die from handling this toxic material. Should we factor in these diseased kids as part of the cost of driving an electric car?"

I'd like to leave you with these thoughts. California is building the largest battery in the world near San Francisco, and they intend to power it from solar panels and windmills. They claim this is the ultimate in being 'green,' but it is not. This construction project is creating an environmental disaster. Let me tell you why.

The main problem with solar arrays is the chemicals needed to process silicate into the silicon used in the panels. To make pure enough silicon requires processing it with hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, trichloroethane, and acetone. In addition, they also need gallium, arsenide, copper-indium-gallium- diselenide, and cadmium-telluride, which also are highly toxic. Silicon dust is a hazard to the workers, and the panels cannot be recycled.

Windmills are the ultimate in embedded costs and environmental destruction. Each weighs 1688 tons (the equivalent of 23 houses) and contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of iron, 24 tons of fiberglass, and the hard to extract rare earths neodymium, praseodymium, and dysprosium. Each blade weighs 81,000 pounds and will last 15 to 20 years, at which time it must be replaced. We cannot recycle used blades.

There may be a place for these technologies, but you must look beyond the myth of zero emissions.

"Going Green" may sound like the Utopian ideal but when you look at the hidden and embedded costs realistically with an open mind, you can see that Going Green is more destructive to the Earth's environment than meets the eye, for sure.



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From: dap1 at bellsouth.net (Dennis Putnam)
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Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are
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That is from me. It appears that John sent a blank reply to my email. 
Something looks odd with the headers.

On 3/15/2022 1:20 PM, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
> John, I agree with you on this point. ?It?s the same objection I have 
> when people tell me I have to live according to their religion. ?It?s 
> off topic, I know. ?But the underlying principles are the same. ?None 
> of us liked to be ?forced?. ?We push back as hard as, if not harder 
> than, we are being pushed. ?Pushers don?t see that, but the pushees 
> definitely do.
>
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> *From:* John A. Quayle <quaylejohn at aol.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 14, 2022 7:23:21 PM
> *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com <rushtalk at csdco.com>
> *Cc:* stephen.frye at outlook.com <stephen.frye at outlook.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They 
> are eviroromentally a disaster)
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They 
> are environmentally a disaster)
> I have no problem with electric vehicles. Forcing them on us before 
> they become practical (price and infrastructure) is my issue. Nor do I 
> have a problem trying to clean up the earth but there has to be a 
> cost/benefit analysis component. China and India are the world's 
> largest polluters and are exempt from any "world regulations." The US 
> has reduced its pollution output more than any other industrialized 
> country. Humankind has always figured out solutions to problems and I 
> doubt this will be the exception. However, the human race becoming 
> extinct in the next 12, 10 or 8 years, whatever the current leftist 
> hysteria is, has been predicted since the 70's and we are still here 
> and getting better.
>
> On 3/14/2022 5:47 PM, Stephen Frye wrote:
>> I can?t because ?
>>
>> There are indeed serious issues examine and solve before making the 
>> knee-jerk jump to electric. What I don?t understand is digging in our 
>> heels and sticking our fingers in our ears. This is going to happen. 
>> As fast as Biden?s green team wants it? ?No. ?But to me this exactly 
>> fits into the oft heard paradigm ?if the solution isn?t 100%. The we 
>> shouldn?t do anything.? This planet will run out of oil. When? I 
>> doubt anybody knows. I doubt anybody really wants to know.
>>
>> Stephen, I am not a geologist, nor do I play one on TV. The brother 
>> of one of my best friends is a geologist and tells me that the United 
>> States alone, has 300 years worth of crude beneath its crust. I have 
>> no basis for comparison, so I've taken his word on this - wrong or 
>> right. I have no "correct perspective here. Yes, I'm against EVs 
>> because I feel they are being shoved down our throats, whether we 
>> want them or not. When someone forces me to do something against my 
>> will, I tend to get combative. Just wait until my kids put me in a 
>> retirement home in a few years (10? 15??). I will be a handful! 
>> Dennis is correct......we lack the proper capacity on our grid to 
>> handle more than 10% of EVs..............
>>
>> It?s like knowing when we are going to die. I agree that having 
>> electric forced on us causes immediate and harsh push back. 
>> Especially when it comes to oil. Oil is viewed by many as life blood. 
>> I remember when I was really young I asked my dad if we would run out 
>> of gas. His answer: not in our lifetime. Such a typical response. We 
>> preach against the growing debt being kicked down the road, but we 
>> live and breathe kicking oil down the road - ?ain?t my problem.? 
>> Again, I am not suggesting some quantum leap into electric. That will 
>> backfire. But I can?t condone ?I don?t wanna ? either. ?I agree; 
>> right now there seems to be plenty. ?But we will run out. Why in the 
>> world would we sit back and ignore that reality when we have the 
>> opportunity to aggressively prepare? At the end of the day, like so 
>> much else, our politics too often drive our thinking.
>>
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>> <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com> on behalf of Dennis Putnam via 
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>> *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com> 
>> <rushtalk at csdco.com> <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
>> *Cc:* Dennis Putnam <dap1 at bellsouth.net> <mailto:dap1 at bellsouth.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They 
>> are eviroromentally a disaster)
>> The big one being that the electrical grid cannot handle the required 
>> load.
>>
>> On 3/14/2022 5:18 PM, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
>>> John, if I didn?t know better, I?d say you are against electric 
>>> cars. ?E=MC2 won?t tell us much - don?t forget the denominator. 
>>> ?F=MA is a little better, but either way the claim is correct: same 
>>> amount of energy. ?But there are losses all along the way, and he 
>>> itemizes one approach, but ignores the analogous itemization on the 
>>> other. ?Textbook example of pre-existing bias. ?He also overlooks 
>>> and misstates a lot of quite pertinent information.
>>>
>>> Get Outlook for iOS 
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>>> *Cc:* John A. Quayle <quaylejohn at aol.com> <mailto:quaylejohn at aol.com>
>>> *Subject:* [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are 
>>> eviroromentally a disaster)
>>>>>
>>>>> 	
>>>>>
>>>>> 	
>>>>>
>>>>> 	Batteries, they do not make electricity ? they store electricity 
>>>>> produced elsewhere, primarily by coal, uranium, natural 
>>>>> gas-powered plants, or diesel-fueled generators. So, to say an EV 
>>>>> is a zero-emission vehicle is not at all valid.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, since forty percent of the electricity generated in the U.S. 
>>>>> is from coal-fired plants, it follows that forty percent of the 
>>>>> EVs on the road are coal-powered, do you see?"
>>>>>
>>>>> Einstein's formula, E=MC2, tells us it takes the same amount of 
>>>>> energy to move a five-thousand-pound gasoline-driven automobile a 
>>>>> mile as it does an electric one. The only question again is what 
>>>>> produces the power? To reiterate, it does not come from the 
>>>>> battery; the battery is only the storage device, like a gas tank 
>>>>> in a car.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are two orders of batteries, rechargeable, and single-use. 
>>>>> The most common single-use batteries are A, AA, AAA, C, D. 9V, and 
>>>>> lantern types. Those dry-cell species use zinc, manganese, 
>>>>> lithium, silver oxide, or zinc and carbon to store electricity 
>>>>> chemically. Please note they all contain toxic, heavy 
>>>>> metals.(empahsis: MINE!- JAQ)
>>>>>
>>>>> Rechargeable batteries only differ in their internal materials, 
>>>>> usually lithium-ion, nickel-metal oxide, and nickel-cadmium. The 
>>>>> United States uses three billion of these two battery types a 
>>>>> year, and most are not recycled; they end up in landfills. 
>>>>> California is the only state which requires all batteries be 
>>>>> recycled. If you throw your small, used batteries in the trash, 
>>>>> here is what happens to them.
>>>>>
>>>>> All batteries are self-discharging. That means even when not in 
>>>>> use, they leak tiny amounts of energy. You have likely ruined a 
>>>>> flashlight or two from an old, ruptured battery. When a battery 
>>>>> runs down and can no longer power a toy or light, you think of it 
>>>>> as dead; well, it is not. It continues to leak small amounts of 
>>>>> electricity. As the chemicals inside it run out, pressure builds 
>>>>> inside the battery's metal casing, and eventually, it cracks. The 
>>>>> metals left inside then ooze out. The ooze in your ruined 
>>>>> flashlight is toxic, and so is the ooze that will inevitably leak 
>>>>> from every battery in a landfill. All batteries eventually 
>>>>> rupture; it just takes rechargeable batteries longer to end up in 
>>>>> the landfill.
>>>>>
>>>>> In addition to dry cell batteries, there are also wet cell ones 
>>>>> used in automobiles, boats, and motorcycles. The good thing about 
>>>>> those is, ninety percent of them are recycled. Unfortunately, we 
>>>>> do not yet know how to recycle single-use ones properly.
>>>>>
>>>>> But that is not half of it. For those of you excited about 
>>>>> electric cars and a green revolution, I want you to take a closer 
>>>>> look at batteries and also windmills and solar panels. These three 
>>>>> technologies share what we call environmentally destructive 
>>>>> production costs.
>>>>>
>>>>> A typical EV battery weighs one thousand pounds, about the size of 
>>>>> a travel trunk. It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty 
>>>>> pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 
>>>>> pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. 
>>>>> Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells.
>>>>>
>>>>> It should concern you that all those toxic components come from 
>>>>> mining. For instance, to manufacture each EV auto battery, you 
>>>>> must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds 
>>>>> of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 
>>>>> 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 
>>>>> pounds of the earth's crust for just - one - battery."
>>>>>
>>>>> Sixty-eight percent of the world's cobalt, a significant part of a 
>>>>> battery, comes from the Congo. Their mines have no pollution 
>>>>> controls, and they employ children who die from handling this 
>>>>> toxic material. Should we factor in these diseased kids as part of 
>>>>> the cost of driving an electric car?"
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to leave you with these thoughts. California is building 
>>>>> the largest battery in the world near San Francisco, and they 
>>>>> intend to power it from solar panels and windmills. They claim 
>>>>> this is the ultimate in being 'green,' but it is not. This 
>>>>> construction project is creating an environmental disaster. Let me 
>>>>> tell you why.
>>>>>
>>>>> The main problem with solar arrays is the chemicals needed to 
>>>>> process silicate into the silicon used in the panels. To make pure 
>>>>> enough silicon requires processing it with hydrochloric acid, 
>>>>> sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, trichloroethane, 
>>>>> and acetone. In addition, they also need gallium, arsenide, 
>>>>> copper-indium-gallium- diselenide, and cadmium-telluride, which 
>>>>> also are highly toxic. Silicon dust is a hazard to the workers, 
>>>>> and the panels cannot be recycled.
>>>>>
>>>>> Windmills are the ultimate in embedded costs and environmental 
>>>>> destruction. Each weighs 1688 tons (the equivalent of 23 houses) 
>>>>> and contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of 
>>>>> iron, 24 tons of fiberglass, and the hard to extract rare earths 
>>>>> neodymium, praseodymium, and dysprosium. Each blade weighs 81,000 
>>>>> pounds and will last 15 to 20 years, at which time it must be 
>>>>> replaced. We cannot recycle used blades.
>>>>>
>>>>> There may be a place for these technologies, but you must look 
>>>>> beyond the myth of zero emissions.
>>>>>
>>>>> *"Going Green" may sound like the Utopian ideal but when you look 
>>>>> at the hidden and embedded costs realistically with an open mind, 
>>>>> you can see that Going Green is more destructive to the Earth's 
>>>>> environment than meets the eye, for sure.*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From quaylejohn at aol.com  Tue Mar 15 11:50:07 2022
From: quaylejohn at aol.com (John  A. Quayle)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 17:50:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are
 eviroromentally a disaster)
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 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Make room for me, fellas........I'm really disheartened that there are certain people who could do any horrible thing imaginable and not be punished. Equal justice under the law? My backside!
 
 
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To: rushtalk at csdco.com
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Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2022 1:03 pm
Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are eviroromentally a disaster)

  Yes, sadly it is Brandon's way or the highway. A new Congress may slow it down if enough RINOs are primaried out. But not much significant can happen until after the 2024 election and the entire bureaucracy can be purged. That seems highly unlikely no matter who wins in 2024. I'm afraid I am becoming as pessimistic as Stephen.
 
 On 3/15/2022 12:56 PM, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
  
 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Tell that to the current administration!!!!  
   
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 From: Stephen Frye <stephen.frye at outlook.com>
 To: John A. Quayle <quaylejohn at aol.com>; rushtalk at csdco.com <rushtalk at csdco.com>
 Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2022 12:53 pm
 Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are eviroromentally a disaster)
 
      I think we have all agreed on the issue of being forced. I don?t believe it has to be an all or nothing proposition.   
  Get Outlook for iOS   From: John A. Quayle <quaylejohn at aol.com>
 Sent: Monday, March 14, 2022 7:26:01 PM
 To: stephen.frye at outlook.com <stephen.frye at outlook.com>; rushtalk at csdco.com <rushtalk at csdco.com>
 Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are eviroromentally a disaster) ?   ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???  Stephen, you are quite correct - I am against having EVs shoved down my throat. I happen to own a handful of classic/antique gasoline-burning cars that I spent a lot of money on them to restore. I don't want some bureaucrat to tell me I'm not allowed to drive them anymore........ 
  
  -----Original Message-----
 From: Stephen Frye <stephen.frye at outlook.com>
 To: rushtalk at csdco.com <rushtalk at csdco.com>
 Cc: John A. Quayle <quaylejohn at aol.com>
 Sent: Mon, Mar 14, 2022 5:18 pm
 Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are eviroromentally a disaster)
 
     John, if I didn?t know better, I?d say you are against electric cars. ?E=MC2 won?t tell us much - don?t forget the denominator. ?F=MA is a little better, but either way the claim is correct: same amount of energy. ?But there are losses all along the way, and he itemizes one approach, but ignores the analogous itemization on the other. ?Textbook example of pre-existing bias. ?He also overlooks and misstates a lot of quite pertinent information.   
  Get  Outlook for iOS   From: Rushtalk <rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com> on behalf of John A. Quayle via Rushtalk <rushtalk at csdco.com>
 Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2022 12:47:36 PM
 To: rushtalk at csdco.com <rushtalk at csdco.com>
 Cc: John A. Quayle <quaylejohn at aol.com>
 Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are eviroromentally a disaster) ?       
 
   
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  | Batteries, they do not make electricity ? they store electricity produced elsewhere, primarily by coal, uranium, natural gas-powered plants, or diesel-fueled generators. So, to say an EV is a zero-emission vehicle is not at all valid. |

  
 Also, since forty percent of the electricity generated in the U.S. is from coal-fired plants, it follows that forty percent of the EVs on the road are coal-powered, do you see?"
 
 Einstein's formula, E=MC2, tells us it takes the same amount of energy to move a five-thousand-poundgasoline-driven automobile a mile as it does an electric one. The only question again is what produces the power? To reiterate, it does not come from the battery; the battery is only the storage device, like a gas tank in a car.
 
 There are two orders of batteries, rechargeable, and single-use. The most common single-use batteries are A, AA, AAA, C, D. 9V, and lantern types. Those dry-cell species use zinc, manganese, lithium, silver oxide, or zinc and carbon to store electricity chemically. Please note they all contain toxic, heavy metals. (empahsis: MINE! - JAQ)
 
 Rechargeable batteries only differ in their internal materials, usually lithium-ion, nickel-metal oxide, and nickel-cadmium. The United States uses three billion of these two battery types a year, and most are not recycled; they end up in landfills. California is the only state which requires all batteries be recycled. If you throw your small, used batteries in the trash, here is what happens to them.
 
 All batteries areself-discharging. That means even when not in use, they leak tiny amounts of energy. You have likely ruined a flashlight or two from an old, ruptured battery. When a battery runs down and can no longer power a toy or light, you think of it as dead; well, it is not. It continues to leak small amounts of electricity. As the chemicals inside it run out, pressure builds inside the battery's metal casing, and eventually, it cracks. The metals left inside then ooze out. The ooze in your ruined flashlight is toxic, and so is the ooze that will inevitably leak from every battery in a landfill. All batteries eventually rupture; it just takes rechargeable batteries longer to end up in the landfill.
 
 In addition to dry cell batteries, there are also wet cell ones used in automobiles, boats, and motorcycles. The good thing about those is, ninety percent of them are recycled. Unfortunately, we do not yet know how to recycle single-use ones properly.
 
 But that is not half of it. For those of you excited about electric cars and a green revolution, I want you to take a closer look at batteries and also windmills and solar panels. These three technologies share what we call environmentally destructive production costs.
 
 A typical EV battery weighs one thousand pounds, about the size of a travel trunk. It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells.
 
 It should concern you that all those toxic components come from mining. For instance, to manufacture each EV auto battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth's crust for just - one - battery."
 
 Sixty-eight percent of the world's cobalt, a significant part of a battery, comes from the Congo. Their mines have no pollution controls, and they employ children who die from handling this toxic material. Should we factor in these diseased kids as part of the cost of driving an electric car?"
 
 I'd like to leave you with these thoughts. California is building the largest battery in the world near San Francisco, and they intend to power it from solar panels and windmills. They claim this is the ultimate in being 'green,' but it is not. This construction project is creating an environmental disaster. Let me tell you why.
 
 The main problem with solar arrays is the chemicals needed to process silicate into the silicon used in the panels. To make pure enough silicon requires processing it with hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, trichloroethane, and acetone. In addition, they also need gallium, arsenide, copper-indium-gallium- diselenide, and cadmium-telluride, which also are highly toxic. Silicon dust is a hazard to the workers, and the panels cannot be recycled.
 
 Windmills are the ultimate in embedded costs and environmental destruction. Each weighs 1688 tons (the equivalent of 23 houses) and contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of iron, 24 tons of fiberglass, and the hard to extract rare earths neodymium, praseodymium, and dysprosium. Each blade weighs 81,000 pounds and will last 15 to 20 years, at which time it must be replaced. We cannot recycle used blades.
 
 There may be a place for these technologies, but you must look beyond the myth of zero emissions.
 
 "Going Green" may sound like the Utopian ideal but when you look at the hidden and embedded costs realistically with an open mind, you can see that Going Green is more destructive to the Earth's environment than meets the eye, for sure.
 
 
  
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From quaylejohn at aol.com  Tue Mar 15 11:53:33 2022
From: quaylejohn at aol.com (John  A. Quayle)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 17:53:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] Interesting article on Trump
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??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Yes, it is what it is. There's a pecking order of "toughness" to New York, as well. The toughest - according to historical reputation - is Brooklyn. Then Queens, where Trump is from. That means that Trump (at least in his mind) has to sell himself that much harder. That's the way Dan Bongino explains it. 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Frye <stephen.frye at outlook.com>
To: John A. Quayle <quaylejohn at aol.com>; rushtalk at csdco.com <rushtalk at csdco.com>
Cc: cwsiv at juno.com <cwsiv at juno.com>
Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2022 1:03 pm
Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Interesting article on Trump

 I call it rude. ?It?s a world-wide reputation for New Yorkers. ?Our foreign students come over always amazed at the general politeness, as they have all heard of New York. ?I just think it?s inappropriate of professional people, but it is what it is.
Get Outlook for iOSFrom: John A. Quayle <quaylejohn at aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 9:41:06 AM
To: rushtalk at csdco.com <rushtalk at csdco.com>
Cc: stephen.frye at outlook.com <stephen.frye at outlook.com>; cwsiv at juno.com <cwsiv at juno.com>
Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Interesting article on Trump???? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Trump is a typical New Yorker, Stephen - I'm not justifying it, but New Yorkers have no sense of self-edit and are generally-speaking, coarse. My dad's mother was like that................


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Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2022 12:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Interesting article on Trump

Insulting people has always been one of the greatest persuaders.
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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Interesting article on Trump?trump is one of the smarter Presidents though for his time Jefferson was smarter.
I like Trumps lack of PC BS and direct truthful, aka insults, to Americas domestic enemies.



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From quaylejohn at aol.com  Tue Mar 15 11:55:40 2022
From: quaylejohn at aol.com (John  A. Quayle)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 17:55:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are
 eviroromentally a disaster)
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??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Well, at least Amir isn't manning the phones and you can understand who you're talking to, right? 
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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are eviroromentally a disaster)

 I called them yesterday. ?I?m still on hold, but my call is very important, and someone will be with me - shortly. In the mean time, I am being offered an opportunity to extend my car?s warranty.
Get Outlook for iOSFrom: John A. Quayle <quaylejohn at aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 9:56:18 AM
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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are eviroromentally a disaster)???? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Tell that to the current administration!!!!

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Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2022 12:53 pm
Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are eviroromentally a disaster)

I think we have all agreed on the issue of being forced. I don?t believe it has to be an all or nothing proposition.
Get Outlook for iOSFrom: John A. Quayle <quaylejohn at aol.com>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2022 7:26:01 PM
To: stephen.frye at outlook.com <stephen.frye at outlook.com>; rushtalk at csdco.com <rushtalk at csdco.com>
Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are eviroromentally a disaster)???? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Stephen, you are quite correct - I am against having EVs shoved down my throat. I happen to own a handful of classic/antique gasoline-burning cars that I spent a lot of money on them to restore. I don't want some bureaucrat to tell me I'm not allowed to drive them anymore........

-----Original Message-----
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To: rushtalk at csdco.com <rushtalk at csdco.com>
Cc: John A. Quayle <quaylejohn at aol.com>
Sent: Mon, Mar 14, 2022 5:18 pm
Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are eviroromentally a disaster)

John, if I didn?t know better, I?d say you are against electric cars. ?E=MC2 won?t tell us much - don?t forget the denominator. ?F=MA is a little better, but either way the claim is correct: same amount of energy. ?But there are losses all along the way, and he itemizes one approach, but ignores the analogous itemization on the other. ?Textbook example of pre-existing bias. ?He also overlooks and misstates a lot of quite pertinent information.
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Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are eviroromentally a disaster)?


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 | Batteries, they do not make electricity ? they store electricity produced elsewhere, primarily by coal, uranium, natural gas-powered plants, or diesel-fueled generators. So, to say an EV is a zero-emission vehicle is not at all valid. |


Also, since forty percent of the electricity generated in the U.S. is from coal-fired plants, it follows that forty percent of the EVs on the road are coal-powered, do you see?"

Einstein's formula, E=MC2, tells us it takes the same amount of energy to move a five-thousand-pound gasoline-driven automobile a mile as it does an electric one. The only question again is what produces the power? To reiterate, it does not come from the battery; the battery is only the storage device, like a gas tank in a car.

There are two orders of batteries, rechargeable, and single-use. The most common single-use batteries are A, AA, AAA, C, D. 9V, and lantern types. Those dry-cell species use zinc, manganese, lithium, silver oxide, or zinc and carbon to store electricity chemically. Please note they all contain toxic, heavy metals.(empahsis:MINE!- JAQ)

Rechargeable batteries only differ in their internal materials, usually lithium-ion, nickel-metal oxide, and nickel-cadmium. The United States uses three billion of these two battery types a year, and most are not recycled; they end up in landfills. California is the only state which requires all batteries be recycled. If you throw your small, used batteries in the trash, here is what happens to them.

All batteries are self-discharging. That means even when not in use, they leak tiny amounts of energy. You have likely ruined a flashlight or two from an old, ruptured battery. When a battery runs down and can no longer power a toy or light, you think of it as dead; well, it is not. It continues to leak small amounts of electricity. As the chemicals inside it run out, pressure builds inside the battery's metal casing, and eventually, it cracks. The metals left inside then ooze out. The ooze in your ruined flashlight is toxic, and so is the ooze that will inevitably leak from every battery in a landfill. All batteries eventually rupture; it just takes rechargeable batteries longer to end up in the landfill.

In addition to dry cell batteries, there are also wet cell ones used in automobiles, boats, and motorcycles. The good thing about those is, ninety percent of them are recycled. Unfortunately, we do not yet know how to recycle single-use ones properly.

But that is not half of it. For those of you excited about electric cars and a green revolution, I want you to take a closer look at batteries and also windmills and solar panels. These three technologies share what we call environmentally destructive production costs.

A typical EV battery weighs one thousand pounds, about the size of a travel trunk. It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells.

It should concern you that all those toxic components come from mining. For instance, to manufacture each EV auto battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth's crust for just - one - battery."

Sixty-eight percent of the world's cobalt, a significant part of a battery, comes from the Congo. Their mines have no pollution controls, and they employ children who die from handling this toxic material. Should we factor in these diseased kids as part of the cost of driving an electric car?"

I'd like to leave you with these thoughts. California is building the largest battery in the world near San Francisco, and they intend to power it from solar panels and windmills. They claim this is the ultimate in being 'green,' but it is not. This construction project is creating an environmental disaster. Let me tell you why.

The main problem with solar arrays is the chemicals needed to process silicate into the silicon used in the panels. To make pure enough silicon requires processing it with hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, trichloroethane, and acetone. In addition, they also need gallium, arsenide, copper-indium-gallium- diselenide, and cadmium-telluride, which also are highly toxic. Silicon dust is a hazard to the workers, and the panels cannot be recycled.

Windmills are the ultimate in embedded costs and environmental destruction. Each weighs 1688 tons (the equivalent of 23 houses) and contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of iron, 24 tons of fiberglass, and the hard to extract rare earths neodymium, praseodymium, and dysprosium. Each blade weighs 81,000 pounds and will last 15 to 20 years, at which time it must be replaced. We cannot recycle used blades.

There may be a place for these technologies, but you must look beyond the myth of zero emissions.

"Going Green" may sound like the Utopian ideal but when you look at the hidden and embedded costs realistically with an open mind, you can see that Going Green is more destructive to the Earth's environment than meets the eye, for sure.



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Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 18:48:25 +0000
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                        Make room for me, fellas........I'm really disheartened that there are certain people who could do any horrible thing imaginable and not be punished. Equal justice under the law? My backside!


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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are eviroromentally a disaster)

Yes, sadly it is Brandon's way or the highway. A new Congress may slow it down if enough RINOs are primaried out. But not much significant can happen until after the 2024 election and the entire bureaucracy can be purged. That seems highly unlikely no matter who wins in 2024. I'm afraid I am becoming as pessimistic as Stephen.

On 3/15/2022 12:56 PM, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
                        Tell that to the current administration!!!!


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I think we have all agreed on the issue of being forced. I don?t believe it has to be an all or nothing proposition.

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                        Stephen, you are quite correct - I am against having EVs shoved down my throat. I happen to own a handful of classic/antique gasoline-burning cars that I spent a lot of money on them to restore. I don't want some bureaucrat to tell me I'm not allowed to drive them anymore........


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John, if I didn?t know better, I?d say you are against electric cars.  E=MC2 won?t tell us much - don?t forget the denominator.  F=MA is a little better, but either way the claim is correct: same amount of energy.  But there are losses all along the way, and he itemizes one approach, but ignores the analogous itemization on the other.  Textbook example of pre-existing bias.  He also overlooks and misstates a lot of quite pertinent information.

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Batteries, they do not make electricity ? they store electricity produced elsewhere, primarily by coal, uranium, natural gas-powered plants, or diesel-fueled generators. So, to say an EV is a zero-emission vehicle is not at all valid.

Also, since forty percent of the electricity generated in the U.S. is from coal-fired plants, it follows that forty percent of the EVs on the road are coal-powered, do you see?"

Einstein's formula, E=MC2, tells us it takes the same amount of energy to move a five-thousand-pound gasoline-driven automobile a mile as it does an electric one. The only question again is what produces the power? To reiterate, it does not come from the battery; the battery is only the storage device, like a gas tank in a car.

There are two orders of batteries, rechargeable, and single-use. The most common single-use batteries are A, AA, AAA, C, D. 9V, and lantern types. Those dry-cell species use zinc, manganese, lithium, silver oxide, or zinc and carbon to store electricity chemically. Please note they all contain toxic, heavy metals. (empahsis: MINE! - JAQ)

Rechargeable batteries only differ in their internal materials, usually lithium-ion, nickel-metal oxide, and nickel-cadmium. The United States uses three billion of these two battery types a year, and most are not recycled; they end up in landfills. California is the only state which requires all batteries be recycled. If you throw your small, used batteries in the trash, here is what happens to them.

All batteries are self-discharging. That means even when not in use, they leak tiny amounts of energy. You have likely ruined a flashlight or two from an old, ruptured battery. When a battery runs down and can no longer power a toy or light, you think of it as dead; well, it is not. It continues to leak small amounts of electricity. As the chemicals inside it run out, pressure builds inside the battery's metal casing, and eventually, it cracks. The metals left inside then ooze out. The ooze in your ruined flashlight is toxic, and so is the ooze that will inevitably leak from every battery in a landfill. All batteries eventually rupture; it just takes rechargeable batteries longer to end up in the landfill.

In addition to dry cell batteries, there are also wet cell ones used in automobiles, boats, and motorcycles. The good thing about those is, ninety percent of them are recycled. Unfortunately, we do not yet know how to recycle single-use ones properly.

But that is not half of it. For those of you excited about electric cars and a green revolution, I want you to take a closer look at batteries and also windmills and solar panels. These three technologies share what we call environmentally destructive production costs.

A typical EV battery weighs one thousand pounds, about the size of a travel trunk. It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells.

It should concern you that all those toxic components come from mining. For instance, to manufacture each EV auto battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth's crust for just - one - battery."

Sixty-eight percent of the world's cobalt, a significant part of a battery, comes from the Congo. Their mines have no pollution controls, and they employ children who die from handling this toxic material. Should we factor in these diseased kids as part of the cost of driving an electric car?"

I'd like to leave you with these thoughts. California is building the largest battery in the world near San Francisco, and they intend to power it from solar panels and windmills. They claim this is the ultimate in being 'green,' but it is not. This construction project is creating an environmental disaster. Let me tell you why.

The main problem with solar arrays is the chemicals needed to process silicate into the silicon used in the panels. To make pure enough silicon requires processing it with hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, trichloroethane, and acetone. In addition, they also need gallium, arsenide, copper-indium-gallium- diselenide, and cadmium-telluride, which also are highly toxic. Silicon dust is a hazard to the workers, and the panels cannot be recycled.

Windmills are the ultimate in embedded costs and environmental destruction. Each weighs 1688 tons (the equivalent of 23 houses) and contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of iron, 24 tons of fiberglass, and the hard to extract rare earths neodymium, praseodymium, and dysprosium. Each blade weighs 81,000 pounds and will last 15 to 20 years, at which time it must be replaced. We cannot recycle used blades.

There may be a place for these technologies, but you must look beyond the myth of zero emissions.

"Going Green" may sound like the Utopian ideal but when you look at the hidden and embedded costs realistically with an open mind, you can see that Going Green is more destructive to the Earth's environment than meets the eye, for sure.



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From: quaylejohn at aol.com (John  A. Quayle)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 21:25:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are
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??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Obviously not, since Hilldebeast and St. Fauci of Wuhan are both still running free after lying to Congress............ 
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 Justice isn?t blind, and it isn?t equal.
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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are eviroromentally a disaster)???? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Make room for me, fellas........I'm really disheartened that there are certain people who could do any horrible thing imaginable and not be punished. Equal justice under the law? My backside!


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Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2022 1:03 pm
Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are eviroromentally a disaster)

Yes, sadly it is Brandon's way or the highway. A new Congress may slow it down if enough RINOs are primaried out. But not much significant can happen until after the 2024 election and the entire bureaucracy can be purged. That seems highly unlikely no matter who wins in 2024. I'm afraid I am becoming as pessimistic as Stephen.

On 3/15/2022 12:56 PM, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:

??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Tell that to the current administration!!!!

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I think we have all agreed on the issue of being forced. I don?t believe it has to be an all or nothing proposition.
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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are eviroromentally a disaster)???? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Stephen, you are quite correct - I am against having EVs shoved down my throat. I happen to own a handful of classic/antique gasoline-burning cars that I spent a lot of money on them to restore. I don't want some bureaucrat to tell me I'm not allowed to drive them anymore........

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John, if I didn?t know better, I?d say you are against electric cars. ?E=MC2 won?t tell us much - don?t forget the denominator. ?F=MA is a little better, but either way the claim is correct: same amount of energy. ?But there are losses all along the way, and he itemizes one approach, but ignores the analogous itemization on the other. ?Textbook example of pre-existing bias. ?He also overlooks and misstates a lot of quite pertinent information.
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Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are eviroromentally a disaster)?


| 
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 | Batteries, they do not make electricity ? they store electricity produced elsewhere, primarily by coal, uranium, natural gas-powered plants, or diesel-fueled generators. So, to say an EV is a zero-emission vehicle is not at all valid. |


Also, since forty percent of the electricity generated in the U.S. is from coal-fired plants, it follows that forty percent of the EVs on the road are coal-powered, do you see?"

Einstein's formula, E=MC2, tells us it takes the same amount of energy to move a five-thousand-pound gasoline-driven automobile a mile as it does an electric one. The only question again is what produces the power? To reiterate, it does not come from the battery; the battery is only the storage device, like a gas tank in a car.

There are two orders of batteries, rechargeable, and single-use. The most common single-use batteries are A, AA, AAA, C, D. 9V, and lantern types. Those dry-cell species use zinc, manganese, lithium, silver oxide, or zinc and carbon to store electricity chemically. Please note they all contain toxic, heavy metals.(empahsis:MINE!- JAQ)

Rechargeable batteries only differ in their internal materials, usually lithium-ion, nickel-metal oxide, and nickel-cadmium. The United States uses three billion of these two battery types a year, and most are not recycled; they end up in landfills. California is the only state which requires all batteries be recycled. If you throw your small, used batteries in the trash, here is what happens to them.

All batteries are self-discharging. That means even when not in use, they leak tiny amounts of energy. You have likely ruined a flashlight or two from an old, ruptured battery. When a battery runs down and can no longer power a toy or light, you think of it as dead; well, it is not. It continues to leak small amounts of electricity. As the chemicals inside it run out, pressure builds inside the battery's metal casing, and eventually, it cracks. The metals left inside then ooze out. The ooze in your ruined flashlight is toxic, and so is the ooze that will inevitably leak from every battery in a landfill. All batteries eventually rupture; it just takes rechargeable batteries longer to end up in the landfill.

In addition to dry cell batteries, there are also wet cell ones used in automobiles, boats, and motorcycles. The good thing about those is, ninety percent of them are recycled. Unfortunately, we do not yet know how to recycle single-use ones properly.

But that is not half of it. For those of you excited about electric cars and a green revolution, I want you to take a closer look at batteries and also windmills and solar panels. These three technologies share what we call environmentally destructive production costs.

A typical EV battery weighs one thousand pounds, about the size of a travel trunk. It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells.

It should concern you that all those toxic components come from mining. For instance, to manufacture each EV auto battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth's crust for just - one - battery."

Sixty-eight percent of the world's cobalt, a significant part of a battery, comes from the Congo. Their mines have no pollution controls, and they employ children who die from handling this toxic material. Should we factor in these diseased kids as part of the cost of driving an electric car?"

I'd like to leave you with these thoughts. California is building the largest battery in the world near San Francisco, and they intend to power it from solar panels and windmills. They claim this is the ultimate in being 'green,' but it is not. This construction project is creating an environmental disaster. Let me tell you why.

The main problem with solar arrays is the chemicals needed to process silicate into the silicon used in the panels. To make pure enough silicon requires processing it with hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, trichloroethane, and acetone. In addition, they also need gallium, arsenide, copper-indium-gallium- diselenide, and cadmium-telluride, which also are highly toxic. Silicon dust is a hazard to the workers, and the panels cannot be recycled.

Windmills are the ultimate in embedded costs and environmental destruction. Each weighs 1688 tons (the equivalent of 23 houses) and contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of iron, 24 tons of fiberglass, and the hard to extract rare earths neodymium, praseodymium, and dysprosium. Each blade weighs 81,000 pounds and will last 15 to 20 years, at which time it must be replaced. We cannot recycle used blades.

There may be a place for these technologies, but you must look beyond the myth of zero emissions.

"Going Green" may sound like the Utopian ideal but when you look at the hidden and embedded costs realistically with an open mind, you can see that Going Green is more destructive to the Earth's environment than meets the eye, for sure.



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Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2022 12:27:21 +0000 (UTC)
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Originally published at Alt-Market.comThere is a mass delusion in the mainstream created I think in large part by too much exposure to movie fantasy and TV fiction. It is an immediate assumption; one that I believe is far more dangerous than many people give it credit for. The assumption is that the next great war, should it occur, will inevitably be a nuclear one, and the doom surrounding it will end everything as we know it. Many people even get excited at the idea of World War III and the notion that it will ?wipe the slate clean,? setting the stage for a positive human reformation from the ashes. I?m here to say that this is likely not how things will play out.
There are much more precise and effective weapons than nukes in the arsenal of the establishment globalists that manipulate political systems in various nations.
For example, the use of weaponized economics and false paradigms. As I have warned for years now, a conflict between East and West has been engineered to take place, and this conflict will primarily be an economic one. I outlined this dynamic in October 2016 in my article?East vs. West Division Is About The Dollar ? Not Nuclear War.
The excitement and dread surrounding potential nuclear warfare distracts from the much more legitimate threat of a staged financial war between East and West (as well as regional wars by proxy in Syria and North Korea which could bog the US down in a mire). It is important to remember that all wars are invariably banker wars ? that is to say, almost all wars benefit international financiers by creating an environment ripe for centralization of wealth and political power. This notion tends to confuse some analysts and activists in the liberty movement.
There is a strange clinging obsession with these people to the idea that there is true international division and that this division includes Eastern governments on one side verses globalist controlled governments on the other. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Considering the reality that the very same globalist representatives and institutions that permeate Western finance and politics ALSO sit in positions of influence in countries like Russia and China, I find it hard to believe that there is any sort of ?division? in the upper echelons of their respective power structures. For all intents and purposes, the same poisonous influences, from Goldman Sachs to JP Morgan to Rothschild run corporations to Henry Kissinger (Mr. ?New World Order?), all loom over Eastern economic policy and politics as well.
I have been writing about the false east/west paradigm since at least 2014 and compiling evidence on globalist influences in Russia and China; you can read more?here?and?here.
The bottom line is this:?Russia and China are in full support of globalist controlled institutions?like the Bank for International Settlements (the central bank of central banks) and the International Monetary Fund (IMF). The governments of both nations have called for the IMF to assert their Special Drawing Rights basket currency framework as a foundation for a?new world reserve currency system. Again, both Russia and China want the IMF, a globalist controlled entity, to become the de facto ruler of a new global monetary structure.
This call for a complete world monetary shift has not been taken as seriously as it should have been, primarily because mainstream economists argue that there is no alternative to the highly liquid U.S. dollar. This is no longer true, though.
With the rise of simple to generate cryptocurrencies and the easily tracked blockchain exchange mechanism, globalists now have the perfect liquidity tool for replacing the dollar as world reserve. All they need now is a crisis event to provide cover for the transition. That is to say, the masses must be thoroughly distracted by an engineered disaster theater. This would create the proper level of fear and confusion necessary to implement full spectrum changes in the world?s fiscal systems without ample resistance from populations suffering from the effects of the reset.
It would appear that a crisis event is now being triggered in the form of an international trade war. This trade war, in my view, is designed to become so widespread that it will one day be considered a ?world war.?
China has been preparing for the move away from the US dollar since at least 2005 when they began issuing what the western financial media called ?panda bonds?, or Yuan denominated bonds.? Back then, the idea was almost treated as a joke.? Not so much anymore, as China has expanded its liquidity by trillions over the past 13 years through various Yuan denominated instruments and has now even begun purchasing oil in Yuan instead of dollars.? This has created what is being called?a ?petro-yuan? market, a move which was predicted far in advance by many of us in the alternative media, but for the mainstream it has been presented as something out of left field.? Petro-yuan futures are being traded globally, and considering the fact that China is the largest importer/exporter in the world, it is only a short matter of time before many of China?s trading partners switch from the dollar to the yuan for exchanges.
All of this is culminating in a final action ? the end game for developing trade war.? This action will be the complete dumping of the dollar itself by China and its allies.? With?evidence building?that China is stopping purchases of US treasury bonds, this action may come much sooner than many people seem to think.? The naysayers continue to argue that China ?will never break from the US and the dollar?, yet, this is exactly what is happening.? It appears that these people will not accept the reality of the situation until it sets up camp on their front lawn in the form of a monetary collapse.As far as distractions are concerned, the trade war activity has been very effective. For example, over the past few months I have been pointing out the strange relationship between announcements by the Federal Reserve concerning interest rate increases and balance sheet cuts and announcements by Donald Trump on tariffs against China and other nations. In almost every instance that the Fed?s actions precipitate a major drop in stock markets (such as last week when Jerome Powell announced an increased number of interest rate hikes and further balance sheet reductions) Trump simultaneously announces more aggressive tariff measures.
The mainstream media?automatically blames Trump?and the trade war for instability in stocks while completely ignoring the direct correlation between the Federal Reserve removing artificial support from stock markets and their continuing declines. The central bankers created the massive market bubble, now they are imploding it, and they want to do this without suffering any blowback to themselves. Trump seems to be helping them in this regard.Even now, there are alternative economists and their followers that still don?t get what is happening. People who still think the Fed?s actions are a ?policy error;? that the bankers are unaware of what they are doing, and that they will eventually reverse course and begin propping up stocks once again. My question is ? why would they?
International financiers and central banks have everything to gain by pulling the plug on life support for stocks, bonds, real estate, etc. at this time. In the midst of a trade war panic, they can pretty much do anything they want without retaliation. All future catastrophe can now be dumped in the lap of any number of scapegoats. Some people will blame Donald Trump and the conservatives that voted for him. Some people will blame China and Russia as the culprits behind our ills. Other people will blame ?capitalism? and ?free markets? in general for the crisis even though we haven?t enjoyed true free markets in well over a century. But, very few people will blame global banks specifically.
I can tell you exactly what globalists will say as they salivate over the panic; they will blame the ?selfishness? of? ?nationalism? as the great culprit, and they will call for a one world economic system built on a one world currency framework as the solution.
In many ways a world economic war could be far more disastrous than a nuclear one. In the event of economic collapse just as many people could very well perish as trade infrastructure and freight systems shut down, but the damage can be more easily directed and centrally controlled by financial elitists. Wealth can be shifted into any number of assets anywhere on the planet ? so the idea that globalists have anything to lose in this scenario is rather naive. In the meantime, the banks plan to steal even more power for existing organizations like the IMF. As some countries suffer economic breakdown, globalist institutions will only grow.
In a nuclear war, there is only pandemonium. In an economic war, centralized dominance remains possible. The greatest disaster would not be the tragedy of mass unemployment, degradation of infrastructure, loss of monetary stability or loss of reliable food and energy production. No, the greatest disaster would be the continued thriving of banking conglomerates and central bank organizations as large portions of the world crumble. The greatest disaster will be what happens AFTER the collapse ? the consolidation of a ?new world order,? if the banking elites are not unmasked as the real catalyst behind the next world war.
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Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2022 12:25:57 -0700
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From quaylejohn at aol.com  Fri Mar 18 19:33:12 2022
From: quaylejohn at aol.com (John  A. Quayle)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 01:33:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] More On EVs
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The Democrats Are Trying to Hide a Very Dirty Secret About Electric Cars 
Matt Vespa|?@mvespa1|Posted: Mar 18, 2022 12:45 PM Source: AP Photo/Michael ProbstThe Left views electric cars like the Rings of Power. It?s predictable but also pathetic. Driving electric cars saves the environment, says the left-wing drone. It emits next to nothing regarding carbon emissions, except that it does. Do liberals think we don?t know that this whole fad is a con game? Where do you think the energy that powers the batteries comes from? Fairies? Electric cars aren?t as efficient as gas-powered vehicles, but you pay more because?of feelings. Screw that. Green energy is a backdoor to communism from greenies who talk more about controlling the means of production than saving Mother Earth. Clean energy is a grift and political crony project aimed at giving fat cat donors tax breaks. Solyndra forever ruined this industry. I don?t care what anyone says, it?s all a long miserable exercise in subsidizing sub-par products. 

Coal is what powers your electric car. Do liberals even know that? The very people who mock states like West Virginia don?t seem to know that these areas allow them to drive their precious, overpriced electric cars (via The Federalist):
To advance their climate agenda and deflect backlash about rising gas prices, Democrats are telling Americans that driving electric cars is for the greater good of the environment, fully knowing the charging stations for these cars are not fossil fuel free.?In reality, one of Tesla?s Supercharger stations was reported to get 13 percent of their energy from natural gas and 27 percent from coal. Power plants burn coal to generate electricity to power electric cars and emit a higher fossil fuel footprint than the left would care to admit.?While these vehicles may be falsely advertised, many who invest in these overpriced cars are able to avoid paying the currently outrageous gas prices. Still, Americans? growing reliance on electric cars and the batteries they require will increase our dependence on countries such as China for materials. 

?Chinese companies, particularly CATL, have secured vast supplies of the raw materials that go inside the batteries,? The New York Times reported in December. ?That dominance has stirred fears in Washington that Detroit could someday be rendered obsolete, and that Beijing could control American driving in the 21st century the way that oil-producing nations sometimes could in the 20th.??By increasing our use of electric cars, the United States will require more lithium batteries and will further rely on China to sustain our supply.

Well, isn?t that peachy. Liberals seem to have the yellow fever when it comes to China, or at least they?re a bit kinky when it comes to their wanting to be dominated by this country. Gas prices began to soar when Joe Biden took a hatchet to the Keystone Pipeline and our own oil and gas industry. That?s just a fact.? RecommendedMalaise: Any Fleeting Biden Polling Bounce Is Officially GoneGuy Benson 

With the Ukraine war raging now, and sanctions being slapped on Russia for their invasion, the line the Biden White House is selling right now is ?if you worried about $8/gallon for gas, you should buy a?$50k+ electric car.? It?s almost too good to be true. You cannot make it up. The Democrats? plan to ease gas price pain for a large swath of Americans is to force them to buy vehicles they can?t afford. A part of that is due to liberals being idiots. The other part is that it shows how the Democratic Party doesn?t know working people anymore. It?s all urban-based, rich, over-educated, and very white people making these snide remarks. The professional Left is the Democratic Party?and these people view those who drive pick-up trucks as neo-Nazis. 

The dirty little secret is that a lot of fossil fuels are used to power the liberal delusions behind their electric car fetish. The Federalist did a great job sifting through the nonsense. 
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From cwsiv at juno.com  Sat Mar 19 10:53:45 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 09:53:45 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] Lies from the Fraud in the Whitehouse
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From cwsiv at juno.com  Sat Mar 19 11:11:02 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:11:02 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] All The Institutions Failed
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All The Institutions Failed

The next pandemic might be more serious. But if the ?experts? try to
sound the alarm, the public will have no faith in them.


(Nicole Glass Photography/Shutterstock) 
FEBRUARY 4, 2022

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12:01 AM

JASON GARSHFIELD 
As the continued Wuhan Flu lock-downs come to be gradually recognized as
the grave error that they were, we must acknowledge the discomfiting
fact that every single elite institution in the world got the pandemic
response spectacularly wrong.

Governments were wrong. Virtually every nation, to varying degrees, went
along with the CCP-inspired radical new lockdown model, as did most
subnational governmental bodies.

Academics and experts were wrong. Leading scientists went far beyond
their expertise in calling for sweeping policy changes, while the
universities themselves scammed their students by switching to virtual
learning but demanding full tuition.

The media was wrong. Most mainstream outlets fell in line as
enthusiastic propagandists for the lockdown-and-mandate regime, mocking
and censoring dissenting voices.

The entertainment industry was wrong. Actors, musicians, athletes, and
other prominent cultural influencers used their considerable public sway
to promote a ?new normal? from whose worst impacts they were shielded.

International organizations were wrong. The World Health Organization
misled the public again and again, while the United Nations,
International Monetary Fund, and others saw the crisis as a springboard
from which to implement a set of long-desired social changes.

Billionaires and major corporations were wrong. These institutions,
which one would ostensibly expect to be the most libertarian, went above
and beyond in acting as enforcers for mask and vaccine mandates. Indeed,
some (no names need be said here) had a financial interest in
perpetuating lockdowns.

The legal system was wrong. While the Supreme Court may have overturned
the Biden vaccine mandate, the same federal court system?including many
conservative judges?were frequently happy to allow ?public health? to
serve as a constitutional workaround. So, for that matter, were many
once-respectable civil libertarians.

There were a few exceptions, mainstream figures who were willing to go
against the grain and speak out against lock-downs. But they were just
that: exceptions. The overwhelming majority of these institutions were
clearly and unequivocally wrong.

Never before has anything like this happened; it is a historical first.
The 2003 invasion of Iraq is now widely considered to be a mistake, but
even that did not receive unanimous institutional support. It was
denounced by prominent celebrities, and several major allies, including
France and Germany, refused to fight. Imagine if there had been such
high-level dissent from the lockdown regime.

The simple truth is that everyone to whom we would look for guidance
during a time of crisis completely bungled this one. The economic and
social damage done by lock-downs will take decades to repair, and it has
come about thanks to a group of leaders who confidently, self-assuredly,
and condescendingly led us all in the wrong direction.

The damage to public trust, however, may be worst of all.

Contrary to some popular sentiment, it is not a bad thing that we have
experts or elite institutions. None of us, no matter how bright or
diligent, are able to solve every complex problem for ourselves.
Reliance on expertise is a heuristic, and on the whole a useful one. The
same goes for talented artists, news organizations which keep us aware
of important information, and businesses which provide valuable consumer
products. None of these are bad in their conception.

Citizenship in a free society requires a certain healthy skepticism of
these institutions, but it also requires some base level of trust.
Institutional trust was badly battered in the Trump years, but it was
still strong enough in March 2020 that when President Trump and Dr.
Fauci stood side-by-side and told us that we would have to serve our
nation by social distancing for two weeks, most of us went along.

That trust has now been lost. It is highly likely that a large section
of the public will never do what elite institutions tell them to again?
and will in fact do the exact opposite. They will reflexively see a
group of power holders who are at best incompetent and at worst
malicious.

The problem with crying wolf, though, is that sometimes there is a real
wolf. The next pandemic might be more serious. But if the ?experts? try
to sound the alarm, the public will have no faith in them?and
justifiably so.

The only hope we now have is to so thoroughly and transparently reform
these institutions that they might regain some measure of public trust.
It is not enough to move on from this purgatorial era of lock-downs, as
we are (hopefully) now starting to do. After World War II, we did not
merely bask in the victory. We also took steps to hold the direct
perpetrators responsible and ensure that the lessons learned in the war
would not be forgotten.

The same must be done here. We must have a full, exhaustive public audit
that exposes exactly how and where it all went so badly wrong, how the
most powerful people in the world could have come to implement a policy
so massively misguided as planetwide lockdown, and to hold the globe in
thrall to that self-evidently insane policy for two full years. Bad
actors must be removed from these institutions whenever possible, and
reforms must be put in place to prevent such a catastrophe from
happening again.

If we can have a commission to investigate the riot at the Capitol on
January 6, we can certainly have one dedicated to plumbing the depths of
this great error.

It seems highly unlikely at this point that the major institutions will
do anything other than stubbornly double down on their mistakes. But
they must change. In the face of such massive failure, the only
alternative to institutional reform would be institutional destruction,
an outcome for which none of us should hope.

Jason Garshfield is a freelance writer whose work has appeared in
Townhall, RealClearPolitics, and numerous other publications.




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From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:14:10 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] UKRAINE PRESS RELEASE ABOUT JOE BIDEN
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On Thu, 2022-03-03 at 15:41 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
> Corruption is running rampant in the world right now, not just in the
> US, but that is no excuse. It must be halted!


IMHO the way Sodom WhoNotSane was halted on the end of a rope is what is
needed.  Of course I am not adverse to the Chair or the Firing squad.
Most every nation needs a new government except perhaps the Swiss having
perfected contentment to live as they choose within their own borders.
Americas problem is we need the old government which obeyed the law the
new one is completely lawless and due to Dominion machines any
legitimacy.




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From cwsiv at juno.com  Sat Mar 19 11:16:33 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:16:33 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] Trump vs Biden
In-Reply-To: <88917009.284337.1646851176081@mail.yahoo.com>
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On Wed, 2022-03-09 at 18:39 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
> Stephen Colbert foolishly showed how out of touch he and his fellow
> libtards are. He said, "I don't care if I pay $15/gallon for gasoline.
> I drive a Tesla!"  


Not realizing that electricity is not free and all that goes into making
it arrives on gas powered trucks so that when gas goes up electricity
goes up.
I have seen some of those charging stations they are hooked up to diesel
generators. HA HA HA.




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From cwsiv at juno.com  Sat Mar 19 11:22:04 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:22:04 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] President Trump goes off on Biden STOTU
In-Reply-To: <07f567d2-3c6b-080d-0848-829ed18a2b4d@bellsouth.net>
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On Tue, 2022-03-08 at 12:07 -0500, Dennis Putnam via Rushtalk wrote:
> The solution is very simple. Turn on the US oil spigots again and
> flood the world with oil. That will accomplish 4 things. It will
> create high paying jobs here, lower energy prices here and around the
> world, reduce European dependency on Russian oil (as it was when we
> were a net exporter of energy under Trump) and decimate Russia's
> economy so Putin will be unable to afford continuing a war with
> Ukraine.
> 
> Unfortunately the extreme left controlling the Dems prefer advancing
> the idiotic "New Green Deal" over lives and a potential nuclear end to
> civilization. Which makes me think, is world wide radiation considered
> pollution?


Leftist idiots perhaps desire to end America so their communist ways can
prevail.  I think however states with voter ID which voted Trump might
not go along with the deal and break away and appoint Trump their first
president and let the blue states go to hell or reconquer them at a
later time..

As to your good sense proposition what is needed is Trump in the
Whitehouse to get it done receeded by a blood letting in the midterm
elections.  If we have veto proof majorities we could do it from
congress.  




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From cwsiv at juno.com  Sat Mar 19 11:22:57 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:22:57 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] President Trump goes off on Biden STOTU
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On Tue, 2022-03-08 at 17:09 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
> Dennis, that's just plain common sense, but it's not going to happen.
> Pelosi, Romney and Biden all have sons working for Barisma Energy in
> the Ukraine............


Potential hostages for Putin to hold against his enemies desiring a Wag
the DOg scenario??




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From cwsiv at juno.com  Sat Mar 19 11:24:26 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:24:26 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] President Trump goes off on Biden STOTU
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On Tue, 2022-03-08 at 19:03 +0000, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
> And I believe that if we push Putin into that corner we will indeed
> trigger a nuclear response.  He isn?t going to back down.  Should that
> ever happen, the oil spigot won?t mean a damned thing.  We?ll be able
> to point the finger of blame at Putin for starting it, but I doubt
> that will mean much.  Not even sure who will be left to point a
> finger, or who will even care.


If DC was vaporized Putin would be thanked even though a lot of cats
would undeservedly share the fate of their worthless PINKO staffers.

Remember dogs and democrats have owners.  Cats have Staff.




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From cwsiv at juno.com  Sat Mar 19 11:25:37 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:25:37 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] Trump -v Trudeau
In-Reply-To: <1646961481.16411.55.camel@linux-7k5b.site>
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What is this spam label nonsense??


CWSIV


From cwsiv at juno.com  Sat Mar 19 11:28:22 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:28:22 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau
 Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues
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On Wed, 2022-03-09 at 18:41 +0000, John A. Quayle wrote:
> He'd never join the list. He's burned out on politics from living
> under my roof for the first 26 years of his life. 


That is sad so your work educating him failed.  
He forgets that just because you take no interest in politics does not
mean it will take no interest in you.
Remind him of the Fauci Ouchie and the Fascist ID cards associated with
that.  Politics is definitely taking an interest in him..





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From cwsiv at juno.com  Sat Mar 19 11:34:33 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:34:33 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau
 Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues
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On Fri, 2022-03-11 at 19:10 +0000, William White via Rushtalk wrote:
> Hello, although I have not posted much over the years, I have,
> nevertheless followed this list since the early 90's.  It has helped
> me to sort through a number of issues as I discovered in the Clinton
> years that the Democrat party had become untenable for me.   That
> estrangement has increased as the Dem have veered left and remain on
> that trajectory.   The thug like behavior of the so-called liberals is
> on display in Canada.  Their attack on faith is evident on both sides
> of the border.


Faith and the freedom is gave birth too.  Remember freedom is
Judeo-Christian in nature and is what some would call White Culture.
Notice all the minority Marxists come from places where freedom is
rationed at best along with food and what they call justice.
All this is under assult by the leftists working for the globalist scum
who would rule behind the scenes using forms of communism to hide
behind.




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From quaylejohn at aol.com  Sat Mar 19 11:49:11 2022
From: quaylejohn at aol.com (John  A. Quayle)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 17:49:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] President Trump goes off on Biden STOTU
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 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Hannity's comments on the radio Tuesday said that Russia's sanctions against the Clintons and the Bidens were like a warning that Bad Vlad has embarrassing information he can blackmail them with. Make of that whatever you will.............. 
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 On Tue, 2022-03-08 at 17:09 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
 Dennis, that's just plain common sense, but it's not going to happen. Pelosi, Romney and Biden all have sons working for Barisma Energy in the Ukraine............


Potential hostages for Putin to hold against his enemies desiring a Wag the DOg scenario??





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From quaylejohn at aol.com  Sat Mar 19 11:51:32 2022
From: quaylejohn at aol.com (John  A. Quayle)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 17:51:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau
 Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues
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 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? He still votes Republican/Conservative, however. All is not lost. His older sister is a complete failure on my part. She married a RABID liberal and has adopted all of his crazy ideas............
 
 
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From: Carl Spitzer {C Juno} via Rushtalk <rushtalk at csdco.com>
To: RushTalk <rushtalk at csdco.com>
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 On Wed, 2022-03-09 at 18:41 +0000, John A. Quayle wrote:
 He'd never join the list. He's burned out on politics from living under my roof for the first 26 years of his life. 


That is sad so your work educating him failed.? 
He forgets that just because you take no interest in politics does not mean it will take no interest in you.
Remind him of the Fauci Ouchie and the Fascist ID cards associated with that.? Politics is definitely taking an interest in him..






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From quaylejohn at aol.com  Sat Mar 19 11:53:27 2022
From: quaylejohn at aol.com (John  A. Quayle)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 17:53:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] President Trump goes off on Biden STOTU
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 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Lefties want a complete end to western civilization. They want us back living in caves, using leaves to wipe ourselves with.......... 
-----Original Message-----
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To: rushtalk at csdco.com
Cc: Carl Spitzer {C Juno} <cwsiv at juno.com>
Sent: Sat, Mar 19, 2022 1:22 pm
Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] President Trump goes off on Biden STOTU

 On Tue, 2022-03-08 at 12:07 -0500, Dennis Putnam via Rushtalk wrote:
 The solution is very simple. Turn on the US oil spigots again and flood the world with oil. That will accomplish 4 things. It will create high paying jobs here, lower energy prices here and around the world, reduce European dependency on Russian oil (as it was when we were a net exporter of energy under Trump) and decimate Russia's economy so Putin will be unable to afford continuing a war with Ukraine.
 
 Unfortunately the extreme left controlling the Dems prefer advancing the idiotic "New Green Deal" over lives and a potential nuclear end to civilization. Which makes me think, is world wide radiation considered pollution?


Leftist idiots perhaps desire to end America so their communist ways can prevail.? I think however states with voter ID which voted Trump might not go along with the deal and break away and appoint Trump their first president and let the blue states go to hell or reconquer them at a later time..

As to your good sense proposition what is needed is Trump in the Whitehouse to get it done receeded by a blood letting in the midterm elections.? If we have veto proof majorities we could do it from congress.? 





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From cwsiv at juno.com  Sun Mar 20 07:48:27 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2022 06:48:27 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau
 Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues
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On Thu, 2022-03-10 at 16:50 +0000, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
> People have been seeing the last days of Revelations for two thousand
> years.  The last days will come because we cause it, not God.  In that
> light, we could well be on our way, but not likely.  We have not yet
> begun to show our readiness and willingness to destroy ourselves.


I guess Planned Parenthood and the Wars out weakling fraud in the
Whitehouse is letting happen is not enough.
We do have the Fauci Ouchie but its not yet killing enough yet.  If it
did it would bring about political reform in America by eliminating the
reprobates and PINKOs who promote Planned Parenthood and the fascist
notions behind the blue state responses to Wuhan.




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From cwsiv at juno.com  Sun Mar 20 08:25:06 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2022 07:25:06 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] The Unmasking
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Author: James Howard Kunstler

We?re in the midst of a tremendous shift of public opinion. Winter is
not over but the truth is budding now in a thousand places.

O Canada, the Great White North, hovering ominously above Niagara Falls
somewhere, is a winter wonderland, and one of the great pleasures of the
season there, apparently, for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, is skating
on thin ice. Why is that? Perhaps in all the hollering you have
forgotten how Mr. T has kicked off a civil war: by forcing
government-mandated shots on his country?s working class of an alleged
?vaccine? that doesn?t work and harms people, at the dwindling end of a
worldwide disease scare that scientists in Canadian labs may have helped
to create.

The great truckers? convoy that converged on Canada?s capital city,
Ottawa, has exposed the ugly truth at the heart of this historic moment
for Western Civ: that governments have declared war on their own
citizens. It happens that PM Trudeau represents his country?s Liberal
Party, which is suddenly the party of unchecked government power to
interfere in the lives of citizens, the party of speech suppression,
news management, forced unsafe vaccinations, and the seizure of
citizens? property outside due process of law.

Under the Emergencies Act, Mr. Trudeau?s police have now arrested the
leaders of the trucker?s revolt, Tamara Lich and Chris Barber, on
charges of ?counseling to commit mischief? (O, dear?!), and seized their
bank accounts, while also freezing the bank accounts of anyone who
donated money to the truckers? cause. That action led, naturally, to
runs on Canada?s major banks, leading to bank shut-downs on Wednesday ?
d?uh? what do you expect when the authorities send the message: your
money is not safe in Canada?s banks, and might not even be your money if
we say it?s not?

And now everybody ? including alert citizens watching from many other
countries ? waits to see what the next moves are. Let?s also note that
it?s not just the truckers in revolt against insane government mandates;
it?s also at least half the population of Canada who stand behind the
truckers and against the new fashion for tyranny in what used to be
called the Free West. I?d venture to guess that the next move will be a
general strike that paralyzes Canada and forces its parliament to
overrule the Emergency Act and get rid of PM Trudeau.

Meanwhile, like a coronavirus itself, the trucker protest movement has
infected America. A ?People?s Convoy? is assembling around Barstow,
California (the capital of the Mojave Desert, where there?s plenty of
room to assemble), with a launch date of February 23, next Wednesday,
destination: Washington DC. Won?t that be? interesting? What will the
government of ?Joe Biden? do? Likewise invoke some sort of emergency
powers? Declare yet another ?insurrection? as with January 6, 2021? Mess
with the truckers? bank accounts, and those of the people who support
them? Do they want to inspire a run on US banks at a juncture where the
extreme fragility of the global banking system threatens to blow up
financial markets? Standing by on that.

The US government, like Canada?s, has likewise been at war with its
citizens. At least half the country has awakened to this unappetizing
reality ? even while somewhat less than half the country still
catatonically follows whatever idiotic diktat the despotic bureaucracy
spews out. Why, for instance, do so many still go about in face masks
even where local regulations are lifted? (And especially in light of the
overwhelming evidence that masks don?t work?) Answer: to signify that
they are still against Trump, the evil leviathan said to be responsible
for all the woes and injustices in the world and who threatens their
?safety?? meaning, their status as oppressed victims of ?white
supremacy,? including the guilty-and-penitent self-oppressed white
people of the Left themselves. Yeah, it?s just that simple because we
are in an epic episode of human social hysteria.

Except that the hysteria is dissipating for all except the most
psychotic or the most politically cornered due to their record of
perfidy and bad faith ? the David Frums, Max Boots, and Rachel Maddows
of our world, the cable news outfits, the Democratic Party hierarchy,
the criminally psychopathic swine running the US public health agencies,
and the craven doctors who have fecklessly murdered patients at the
behest of Dr. Anthony Fauci & Company. Despite the sedulous efforts to
suppress the data (O, the sacred data!) about the failure of their
?vaccines,? the real news is getting out: the ?vaccines? don?t prevent
transmission or infection of Covid-19, and they pose lethal side-effects
for the vaxxed. There it is, in plain English. And yet, ?Joe Biden,?
putative president of the US, is still telling the country to ?go out
and get vaccinated, get boosted? ? ???

The companies who produced the ?vaccines? are even on the run. Pfizer
withdrew its application for an emergency use authorization in India,
where the public health agency insisted on seeing the safety records
Pfizer was obliged to furnish ? and refused to. India is a big market
for pharmaceuticals, some 1.39 billion. Pfizer?s stock has crashed
nearly 10 percent the past two weeks. By the way, some of the states of
India are notable for having battled Covid-19 with the mass distribution
of early treatment kits containing cheap anti-virals such as ivermectin,
hydroxychloroquine, Vitamin D, etc. The program was famously successful
in reducing deaths there.

The CEO of Moderna, St?phane Bancel, has sold off $400-million of his
own stock in the company and deleted his Twitter account on rumors that
all-causes deaths reported by US life insurance companies show a
shocking and mysterious rise in mortality that just may be attributed to
the ?vaccines? causing strokes, heart attacks, cancer cases, and immune
system failures. (Moderna?s stock is also sinking.) Neither the
mainstream news media nor the US public health agencies are making any
effort to investigate this now well-documented occurrence.

We?re in the midst of a tremendous shift of public opinion. Winter is
not over but the truth is budding now in a thousand places. The people
are done kneeling docilly to be silenced and killed. They will not let
this country, and many other nations in the Western Civ club, be
destroyed without a fight. The unmasked are unmasking their masked
antagonists. Stand by, now, to find out who has been behind all this
deadly mischief. We will rip off their masks and the rule of law will be
restored. 
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/02/james-howard-kunstler/th
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From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2022 07:33:53 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] How Putin could be beat.
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                This is fine but misses the final step to resolution.
                Regardless of what China does, there is no ?out? for
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                accessible to Russians, and his lies become nationally
                known. He can?t survive that. So what does he do?
                
                

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From quaylejohn at aol.com  Mon Mar 21 11:27:48 2022
From: quaylejohn at aol.com (John  A. Quayle)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2022 17:27:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] We Pray This Is So!
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From cwsiv at juno.com  Mon Mar 21 13:37:22 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2022 12:37:22 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] All The Institutions Failed
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All The Institutions Failed

The next pandemic might be more serious. But if the ?experts? try to
sound the alarm, the public will have no faith in them.


(Nicole Glass Photography/Shutterstock) 
FEBRUARY 4, 2022

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JASON GARSHFIELD 
As the continued Wuhan Flu lock-downs come to be gradually recognized as
the grave error that they were, we must acknowledge the discomfiting
fact that every single elite institution in the world got the pandemic
response spectacularly wrong.

Governments were wrong. Virtually every nation, to varying degrees, went
along with the CCP-inspired radical new lockdown model, as did most
subnational governmental bodies.

Academics and experts were wrong. Leading scientists went far beyond
their expertise in calling for sweeping policy changes, while the
universities themselves scammed their students by switching to virtual
learning but demanding full tuition.

The media was wrong. Most mainstream outlets fell in line as
enthusiastic propagandists for the lockdown-and-mandate regime, mocking
and censoring dissenting voices.

The entertainment industry was wrong. Actors, musicians, athletes, and
other prominent cultural influencers used their considerable public sway
to promote a ?new normal? from whose worst impacts they were shielded.

International organizations were wrong. The World Health Organization
misled the public again and again, while the United Nations,
International Monetary Fund, and others saw the crisis as a springboard
from which to implement a set of long-desired social changes.

Billionaires and major corporations were wrong. These institutions,
which one would ostensibly expect to be the most libertarian, went above
and beyond in acting as enforcers for mask and vaccine mandates. Indeed,
some (no names need be said here) had a financial interest in
perpetuating lockdowns.

The legal system was wrong. While the Supreme Court may have overturned
the Biden vaccine mandate, the same federal court system?including many
conservative judges?were frequently happy to allow ?public health? to
serve as a constitutional workaround. So, for that matter, were many
once-respectable civil libertarians.

There were a few exceptions, mainstream figures who were willing to go
against the grain and speak out against lock-downs. But they were just
that: exceptions. The overwhelming majority of these institutions were
clearly and unequivocally wrong.

Never before has anything like this happened; it is a historical first.
The 2003 invasion of Iraq is now widely considered to be a mistake, but
even that did not receive unanimous institutional support. It was
denounced by prominent celebrities, and several major allies, including
France and Germany, refused to fight. Imagine if there had been such
high-level dissent from the lockdown regime.

The simple truth is that everyone to whom we would look for guidance
during a time of crisis completely bungled this one. The economic and
social damage done by lock-downs will take decades to repair, and it has
come about thanks to a group of leaders who confidently, self-assuredly,
and condescendingly led us all in the wrong direction.

The damage to public trust, however, may be worst of all.

Contrary to some popular sentiment, it is not a bad thing that we have
experts or elite institutions. None of us, no matter how bright or
diligent, are able to solve every complex problem for ourselves.
Reliance on expertise is a heuristic, and on the whole a useful one. The
same goes for talented artists, news organizations which keep us aware
of important information, and businesses which provide valuable consumer
products. None of these are bad in their conception.

Citizenship in a free society requires a certain healthy skepticism of
these institutions, but it also requires some base level of trust.
Institutional trust was badly battered in the Trump years, but it was
still strong enough in March 2020 that when President Trump and Dr.
Fauci stood side-by-side and told us that we would have to serve our
nation by social distancing for two weeks, most of us went along.

That trust has now been lost. It is highly likely that a large section
of the public will never do what elite institutions tell them to again?
and will in fact do the exact opposite. They will reflexively see a
group of power holders who are at best incompetent and at worst
malicious.

The problem with crying wolf, though, is that sometimes there is a real
wolf. The next pandemic might be more serious. But if the ?experts? try
to sound the alarm, the public will have no faith in them?and
justifiably so.

The only hope we now have is to so thoroughly and transparently reform
these institutions that they might regain some measure of public trust.
It is not enough to move on from this purgatorial era of lock-downs, as
we are (hopefully) now starting to do. After World War II, we did not
merely bask in the victory. We also took steps to hold the direct
perpetrators responsible and ensure that the lessons learned in the war
would not be forgotten.

The same must be done here. We must have a full, exhaustive public audit
that exposes exactly how and where it all went so badly wrong, how the
most powerful people in the world could have come to implement a policy
so massively misguided as planetwide lockdown, and to hold the globe in
thrall to that self-evidently insane policy for two full years. Bad
actors must be removed from these institutions whenever possible, and
reforms must be put in place to prevent such a catastrophe from
happening again.

If we can have a commission to investigate the riot at the Capitol on
January 6, we can certainly have one dedicated to plumbing the depths of
this great error.

It seems highly unlikely at this point that the major institutions will
do anything other than stubbornly double down on their mistakes. But
they must change. In the face of such massive failure, the only
alternative to institutional reform would be institutional destruction,
an outcome for which none of us should hope.

Jason Garshfield is a freelance writer whose work has appeared in
Townhall, RealClearPolitics, and numerous other publications.




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From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2022 12:45:48 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] Patent summary for Wuhan flu treatment
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FYI
 
Sherry
 
 
https://media2-production.mightynetworks.com/asset/26423355/Patent_Summary.pdf
 
PATENT SUMMARY - CORONAVIRUS

 

January 28th, 2000 US Patent 6372224

The first vaccine ever patented for coronavirus was actually sought by
Pfizer. The application for the first vaccine for coronavirus was
specifically for this S Spike protein, the exact same thing that
allegedly we have rushed into invention in 2021.

 

 

April 19th, 2002 US Patent 7279327

The NIAID filed for a patent based on work funded by Anthony Fauci at
the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill started in 1999. The patent
was for an infectious replication defective coronavirus. It was
specifically targeted for human lung epithelium. In other words, we made
SARS specifically to target human lung tissue and we patented it several
months before there was ever an alleged SARS outbreak in Asia.

 

 

April 2003 US Patents 7220852, 46592703P, 7776521

These 3 patents were sought by the CDC and not only covered the gene
sequence of SARS coronavirus, but also covered the means of detecting it
using RTPCR. This is a BIG problem as the CDC would then both own the
patent on the gene itself, and its detection, giving 100% of the
provenance of not only the virus itself, but also its detection. Seeking
these patents was a violation of 35 US Code section 101 as it is illegal
to patent a naturally occurring substance. The patent office twice
rejected the patent on the gene sequence as unpatentable, because the
gene sequence was already in the public domain (99.9% identity with the
already existing coronavirus). BUT?CDC paid an appeal fine in 2006 and
2007 effectively overriding the patent office's rejection of their
patent. In 2007 the CDC got the patent on SARS coronavirus. Essentially,
they paid a bribe to the patent office and what?s worse, they paid an
additional fee to keep their application private.

 

 

28th of April, 2003 US Patent 7151163

3 days after CDC filed the patent on the SARS coronavirus (and 4 years
before it was actually awarded) Sequoia Pharmaceuticals filed a patent
in antiviral agents of treatment and control of infections coronavirus.
In other words, CDC filed 3 days earlier, and then the treatment was
filed 3 days later. 

 

 

Sequoia Pharmaceuticals became rolled into the proprietary holdings of
Pfizer, Crucell and Johnson & Johnson. 

 

 

How would one have a patent on a treatment for a thing that had been
invented 3 days earlier? 

 

 

Also, this was issued and published before the CDC patent on coronavirus
was actually allowed (2007). Is not physically possible to patent a
thing that treats a thing that had not yet been published (especially
given that the CDC had paid to keep it secret).

 

 

Jan 6 2004 Conference: ?Bioterrorism, Emerging Infectious Diseases,
Antimicrobial Therapeutics, and Immune Modulators?

 

Merck introduced the notion of what they called "The New Normal". "The
New Normal" is the language that was adopted by the World Health
Organization in 2020. 

 

The Global Preparedness Monitoring Board hosted the conference. On the
Board of Directors were the Chinese Director of Disease Control, Bill
Gates's Dr. Elias of the Gates Foundation, and Anthony Fauci.

 

 

2007 and 2008 

 

World Health Organization state that we had eradicated coronavirus as a
concern. But still billions of dollars is subsequently spent globally on
a vaccine for a thing that had apparently been declared ?eradicated? in
2008.

 

 

5th of June, 2008 US Patent 9193780

 

Ablynx (now part of Sanofi) filed a series of patents that specifically
targeted what we've been told is the ?novel? feature of the SARS COV-2
virus. Specifically they targeted the poly basic cleavage site for SARS
COV, the novel Spike protein and the ACE-2 receptor binding domain which
is allegedly novel to SARS COV-2. 

 

These patents were issued November 24th of 2015.

 

And then?

 

In 2016, 2017, 2019 a series of patents, all covering the RNA strands
and the subcomponents of the gene strands (specifically as it relates to
the polybasic cleavage site, the ACE-2 receptor binding domain, and the
spike protein) were all issued to Ablynx and Sanofi. And then Crucell,
Rubeus Therapeutics, Children's Medical Corporation,
LudwigMaximilians-Universita?t in Mu?nchen, Protein Science Corporation,
Dana-Farber Cancer Institute, University of Iowa, University of Hong
Kong, Chinese National Human Genome Center in Shanghai.

 

In total, there are 73 patents issued between 2008 and 2019 which have
the elements that were allegedly ?novel? in the SARS COV-2. 

 

There was no outbreak of SARS, because all elements of it had been
engineered.

 

 

2015 Peter Daszak (EcoHealth Alliance) as reported in the National
Academies of Press publication February 12th 2016

 

"We need to increase public understanding of the need for medical
countermeasures such as a pan-coronavirus vaccine. A key driver is the
media and the economics will follow the hype. We need to use that hype
to our advantage, to get to the real issues. Investors will respond if
they see profit at the end of the process."

 

 

2016 

 

A paper that was funded during the Gain-of-Function Moratorium and
written by Ralph Baric stated:

 

??the SARS coronavirus is poised for human emergence.?

 

It was not only poised for human emergence, it was now patented for
commercial exploitation, 73 times.

 

 

2017 and 2018 The National Institute of Health file a Certificate of
Correction to US Patent 7279327 (see 2002) to ensure that it was the NIH
maintained complete ownership rights.

 

This Patent was the one that gave the NIH the rights to develop the
vaccine (later shared between the University of North Carolina Chapel
Hill in November of 2019 and Moderna, in November of 2019).

 

UNC Chapel Hill, NIAID and Moderna began the sequencing of a spike
protein vaccine, a month before an outbreak in December 2019 ever
happened.

 

 

March 2019 Moderna amended a series of 4 rejected patent filings to
specifically make reference to a ?deliberate or accidental release?. The
intention of the patent applications was to commence the process of
developing a coronavirus vaccine.

 

 

September 2019 ?A World At Risk? World Health Organization

 

The documented scenario presented by the WHO suggested that we need to
prepare for a 'coordinated global experience of a respiratory pathogen
release, which by September 2020 must put in place, a universal capacity
for public relations, management, crowd control and the acceptance of a
universal vaccine mandate?. HELLO!!!

 

This was the Global Preparedness Monitoring Board's unified statement.

 

                                 All data provided by Dr David E. Martin

 

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From cwsiv at juno.com  Mon Mar 21 15:25:54 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2022 14:25:54 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are
 eviroromentally a disaster)
In-Reply-To: <858873654.1396211.1647265687769@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <622d7e7d.1c69fb81.7f2d8.0ecd@mx.google.com>
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On Mon, 2022-03-14 at 13:48 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
> Those EV batteries weigh 1,000 lbs. Who in Hell has a cherry picker to
> change the battery? 


Unbolt the car from the chasis and then use crane to lift out the
battery at the local Tesla dealer.  I am sure its only 4500 for battery
and service but under Biden its likely inflated some day to 10000.


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From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2022 14:28:26 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are
 eviroromentally a disaster)
In-Reply-To: <89d94401-66b5-8282-c949-07247e53193b@bellsouth.net>
References: <622d7e7d.1c69fb81.7f2d8.0ecd@mx.google.com>
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On Mon, 2022-03-14 at 17:23 -0400, Dennis Putnam via Rushtalk wrote:
> The big one being that the electrical grid cannot handle the required
> load.
> 


Not without the dreaded Nuclear power plants because wind will not cut
it.
However if the masses are forced into "affordable" public transportation
in cities then there is enough.
Just reduce people to serfs on plantations run by elitest liberals.


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From cwsiv at juno.com  Mon Mar 21 15:30:50 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2022 14:30:50 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are
 eviroromentally a disaster)
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References: <622d7e7d.1c69fb81.7f2d8.0ecd@mx.google.com>
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On Mon, 2022-03-14 at 23:54 +0000, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
> I agree.  It?s the forcing part that gets to me / besides, they
> haven?t thought it through.  The whole extinction thing is persuasion
> through fright - supposedly.  Scare everyone into compliance - though
> that approach mostly worked with Covid.


Well it showed who wanted freedom and who is ready to become a slave and
force the free to become like them.


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From cwsiv at juno.com  Tue Mar 22 07:46:27 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 06:46:27 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] President Trump goes off on Biden STOTU
In-Reply-To: <1340023690.442711.1647712407028@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1646753541.16411.1.camel@linux-7k5b.site>
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Message-ID: <1647956787.27402.20.camel@linux-7k5b.site>

On Sat, 2022-03-19 at 17:53 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
>                         Lefties want a complete end to western
> civilization. They want us back living in caves, using leaves to wipe
> ourselves with.......


Not sure they want that save for those they intend to kill off the
people who want freedom.
They want civilization for themselves and they can not be ruling elite
without serfs to rule.
Serfs who will be able to maintain the masters in comfort.





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From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 06:53:14 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] Mounted Police Trample Protesters as Trudeau
 Regime's Brutal Crackdown Continues
In-Reply-To: <424533224.442555.1647712292578@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1646671317.19191.14.camel@linux-7k5b.site>
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On Sat, 2022-03-19 at 17:51 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
> He still votes Republican/Conservative, however. All is not lost. His
> older sister is a complete failure on my part. She married a RABID
> liberal and has adopted all of his crazy ideas.........


Sounds like she needs to meet a real man like some of Gary Coopers
characters.
I am watching a recording of the Lady and the Cowboy.  the house maids
take her out for a blind date. 
Seems her fathers political ambitions require her to be locked up so
there are no scandals. 
Overprotected rich girl winds up marrying the first real man she meets
or kissed which is Gary Coopers character.

Remember Marly Mattlan married Clintons man Snakehead.  Arnold
Swartzeneeger married a Kennedy.


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From quaylejohn at aol.com  Tue Mar 22 08:38:17 2022
From: quaylejohn at aol.com (John  A. Quayle)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 14:38:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] Jan. 6th Committee Is A Complete Sham!
References: <678519475.1083633.1647959897553.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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 Sham January 6th Committee Admits It Is A Weapon For 2022 Midterm Elections The January 6th Committee is a complete sham, and this story just further goes to prove it? This dog and pony show has nothing to do with ?democracy?, national security, fighting ?domestic terrorism?, or correcting global warming, as many leftists would have everyone believe. Everyone who isn?t a flaming leftist, or completely asleep at the ? Continue reading 
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From cwsiv at juno.com  Wed Mar 23 20:19:12 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 19:19:12 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] The Associated Press announces it is nothing more than a
 paid prostitute for the climate alarmism industry that uses disinformation
 to psychologically terrorize the world
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  Next up! Climate change hoax - "Some doctors are even now diagnosing
their patients with climate change ? that is how far gone the world has
gotten due to climate propaganda." Be sure to check out More related
news about the climate change hoax can be found at Climate.news. 





The Associated Press announces it is nothing more than a paid prostitute
for the climate alarmism industry that uses disinformation to
psychologically terrorize the world
Monday, February 21, 2022 by: Ethan Huff 
Tags: AP, Associated Press, climate alarmism, climate change,
environment, global warming, media, paid presstitute, propaganda,
unethical

This article may contain statements that reflect the opinion of the
author 


Bypass censorship by sharing this link:
Newhttps://citizens.news/595634.html Copy URL 





6,700Views Image: The Associated Press announces it is nothing more than
a paid prostitute for the climate alarmism industry that uses
disinformation to psychologically terrorize the world

      * 


(Natural News) Climate reporting at the Associated Press (AP) is about
to see its ?largest single expansion? thanks to a huge influx of
?philanthropic grants? totaling $8 million.

In a move that Climate Depot describes as ?checkbook journalism,? the
climate lobby has pretty much purchased the AP to use as a propaganda
mouthpiece for global warming politics.

?The AP will now have zero ?obligation to serve as watchdogs over public
affairs and government? and instead be approved messaging lapdogs to
their paymasters,? says Marc Morano, quoting the AP?s stated mission and
objective, which is pretty much null and void at this point.

?Will the AP ever offend [its] donors and look critically at the UN IPCC
climate panel? Or NASA? It?s a laughable thought.?

The AP actually announced on February 15 that it is no longer ?wary,? as
it once was, of accepting millions of dollars from outside special
interest groups pushing a climate agenda.

Led by the Rockefeller Foundation and various other globalist groups,
the new climate-funded AP will simply parrot whatever climate agenda is
being pushed at any given time, passing it off as ?journalism.?

?This initiative, with the help of the Rockefeller Foundation and
others, will enable us to closely examine efforts to cope with climate
change, both the problems it poses and its potential solutions,? said AP
Deputy Managing Editor Sarah Nordgren.




The AP is bleeding cash so it was ripe for the picking

Keeping the climate hysteria going is an important part of the agenda
because that is what drives the policy changes desired by the
globalists, including the elimination of fossil fuels, meat, and other
?pollution.?

Brighteon.TV

Some doctors are even now diagnosing their patients with climate change
? that is how far gone the world has gotten due to climate propaganda.

Now, the AP will be leading the way in advancing the next phase of the
plan, which involves assigning more than two dozen ?journalists? across
the world to cover climate issues.

?The announcement illustrates how philanthropy has swiftly become an
important new funding source for journalism ? at the AP and elsewhere ?
at a time when the industry?s financial outlook has been otherwise
bleak,? the AP admitted.

>From here on out, the AP will have its new climate team, which spans
across not just the United States but also Africa, Brazil and India,
push out climate story after climate story, all from the perspective
that cow flatulence and gas-powered vehicles are killing the planet.

?This far-reaching initiative will transform how we cover the climate
story,? says Julie Pace, the AP?s senior vice president and executive
director.

Over three years, the AP will actually rake in far more than just $8
million, and about 20 of its climate ?journalists? will be new hires.
The following five organizations are contributors to the effort:

The William and Flora Hewlett Foundation
The Howard Hughes Medical Institute
Quadrivium
The Rockefeller Foundation
The Walton Family Foundation

Brian Carovillano, an AP new vice president who supervises partnerships
and grants, says he is already noticing a difference in the ?morale? of
his organization because of the grant money that has already been
received.

?I think it has changed the mindset of the newsroom a little bit,? the
2019 Pulitzer Prize winner is quoted as saying.

?After years of basically feeling a little beleaguered, people are proud
that they?re part of an organization that is dreaming really big and
actually has the ability to do it.?

What Carovillano did not say, however, is that these changes violate the
Society of Professional Journalists? (SPJ) ?Code of Ethics? for
journalists.

More related news about the climate change hoax can be found at
Climate.news.

Sources for this article include:

ClimateDepot.com

NaturalNews.com



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From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 19:34:42 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] 
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On Sun, 2022-03-13 at 16:51 +0000, Tom Matiska via Rushtalk wrote:
> 
> April 30, 2021 ????   
> 


I goofed.  Still it seems to show an attitude against people like that
shown by the Jan 6 disinformation.
Federal police are no longer trustworthy.




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From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 19:38:02 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] Interesting article on Trump
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On Tue, 2022-03-15 at 16:13 +0000, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
> Insulting people has always been one of the greatest persuaders.
> 



Some people do not respond to being tickled they need to be punched in
the face with truth.
President Trumps truthfulness is only insulting to the evr defensive
PINKO scum who infest American politics and society.
IMHO he is being too nice he should be wearing Red Wing steal toed shoes
and kicking the crap out of our domestic enemies.





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From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 19:39:30 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] Interesting article on Trump
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On Tue, 2022-03-15 at 16:41 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
> Trump is a typical New Yorker, Stephen - I'm not justifying it, but
> New Yorkers have no sense of self-edit and are generally-speaking,
> coarse. My dad's mother was like that...........


Well such honesty is refreshing.  We have too many nice Nevil Chamberlin
type fools in politics.





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From cwsiv at juno.com  Wed Mar 23 20:41:41 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 19:41:41 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] Interesting article on Trump
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On Tue, 2022-03-15 at 17:53 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
> Yes, it is what it is. There's a pecking order of "toughness" to New
> York, as well. The toughest - according to historical reputation - is
> Brooklyn. Then Queens, where Trump is from. That means that Trump (at
> least in his mind) has to sell himself that much harder. That's the
> way Dan Bongino explains it. 



Well he is attaching the enemies of America so more power to him.
We have had too many nice guys aka RINO in the republican party.




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From cwsiv at juno.com  Wed Mar 23 20:43:52 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 19:43:52 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] A Highly credentialed speaker with loads of detail
 and rational explanation to an obvious conclusion
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On Thu, 2022-03-17 at 02:39 +0000, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
> Was there ever a doubt?


I thought Wuhan Flu was just a tactic for the real weapon the Fauci
Ouchie.
BTW where is Sith Lord Fauci been hiding himself lately??





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From cwsiv at juno.com  Wed Mar 23 20:45:55 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 19:45:55 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] President Trump goes off on Biden STOTU
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On Sat, 2022-03-19 at 17:49 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
> Hannity's comments on the radio Tuesday said that Russia's sanctions
> against the Clintons and the Bidens were like a warning that Bad Vlad
> has embarrassing information he can blackmail them with. Make of that
> whatever you will...........



Being former KGB I think you hit the nail on the head.

BTW got link for that show??   I should like to hear this one.



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From quaylejohn at aol.com  Thu Mar 24 07:31:55 2022
From: quaylejohn at aol.com (John  A. Quayle)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 13:31:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] President Trump goes off on Biden STOTU
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-----Original Message-----
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To: rushtalk at csdco.com
Cc: Carl Spitzer {C Juno} <cwsiv at juno.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 23, 2022 10:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] President Trump goes off on Biden STOTU

 On Sat, 2022-03-19 at 17:49 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
 Hannity's comments on the radio Tuesday said that Russia's sanctions against the Clintons and the Bidens were like a warning that Bad Vlad has embarrassing information he can blackmail them with. Make of that whatever you will...........



Being former KGB I think you hit the nail on the head.

BTW got link for that show???? I should like to hear this one. 


??? ??? ??? ??? Not sure of the date, but if you go to https://hannity.com/, you'll find it..........


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From cwsiv at juno.com  Fri Mar 25 17:28:35 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2022 16:28:35 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] How Dems Helped Spike Gas Prices
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How Dems Helped Spike Gas Prices

 
L.A. gas prices, March 7, 2022. / Getty Images Joseph Simonson ? March
8, 2022 6:00 pm 
SHARE





Despite reassurances from the White House that it is doing nothing to
discourage oil companies from opening new drill sites, President Joe
Biden's allies in Congress just months ago pressured oil executives to
decrease outputs because of climate change, raising questions about the
Democratic Party's strategy to lower prices for consumers.

In late October, for example, the House Oversight and Reform Committee
called in the CEOs of Exxon, BP, Shell, and Chevron to explain what
steps they are taking to produce less oil and gas, with Rep. Hank
Johnson (D., Ga.) alleging that "the world can't wait" any longer. At
the time, gas prices were hovering around a 10-year high.

The hearing has gained new relevance as a global gas shortage has pushed
prices to an all-time high. Prices are rising even more due to Russia's
invasion of Ukraine, with no sign of falling after Biden's announcement
that the United States will no longer accept Russian oil imports. Those
facts have left Democrats scrambling for a solution before the November
midterms as Republicans demand that the White House encourage domestic
oil drilling operations.

The president said on Tuesday that his administration's policies are not
"holding back domestic energy production," echoing comments from Press
Secretary Jen Psaki, who said that "federal policies are not limiting
the supplies of oil and gas" before mentioning the thousands of unused
pre-approved oil and gas drilling leases.

"You can draw a direct line from how the Democrats marauded energy
production yesterday to the unprecedented pain Americans are feeling at
the pump today," said CounterPoint Strategies president Jim McCarthy, a
policy adviser for leading energy companies.

Some Democrats, such as Rep. Ro Khanna (Calif.), have demanded that
domestic oil companies dramatically curtail their domestic operations.
At the same time, Khanna has called for the United States to end its
dependency on oil imports from countries such as Russia.

In one exchange during the October hearing, Khanna pressed Shell
president Gretchen Watkins on whether she agreed that "under the Paris
agreement that ? we need to have oil and gas production declining every
year." After she answered that the company believes "that hydrocarbon
demand needs to reduce if we're going to get to net zero [emissions] by
2050," Khanna demanded to know whether Shell will decrease its
production by 2 percent each year, a figure initially offered by the
company in 2019.

"This is what happens when left-wing Democrat fantasies meet reality.
Khanna and other Democrats spent most of the fall trying to strangle the
life out of oil and gas companies and are now feigning surprise and
evading responsibility at the outcome," said McCarthy.

Khanna also demanded to know whether Chevron CEO Michael Wirth was
embarrassed that his company has increased production while "the
European counterparts are going down." When Wirth said that global
demand has increased, Khanna asked for a commitment to help "bring the
actual demand of oil production down."

Rep. Robin Kelly (D., Ill.) continued Khanna's line of questioning
Watkins, asking, "Will Shell commit to reducing gas production as part
of its emissions reductions plans?"

"In light of the invasion of Ukraine, Rep. Khanna called on President
Biden to release oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to bring down
the price of gas and supports oil companies increasing production at
existing facilities in the short term," a Khanna spokeswoman told the
Washington Free Beacon. "In the long term, he believes we need a
moonshot to develop renewable energy sources to prevent similar
situations from happening in the future and have a more diversified
energy source."

Kelly's and Johnson's offices did not respond to requests for comment.

The average price for gasoline at the end of Biden's first week of
office was $2.39 a gallon. Prices have now hit above $4. Although
defenders of the president say the rising prices are forces outside the
administration's control, as well as Russian president Vladimir Putin's
invasion of Ukraine, Republicans say Biden's decision to cancel the
Keystone XL pipeline and institute a moratorium on new gas leases is
responsible.

Democrats scheduled a followup hearing with oil executives for Tuesday,
March 8. That hearing was subsequently canceled last-minute, with no
explanation given.

Published under: Climate Change, Gas Prices, Oil, Ro Khanna, Russia,
Ukraine Invasion 







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From quaylejohn at aol.com  Fri Mar 25 20:02:15 2022
From: quaylejohn at aol.com (John  A. Quayle)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2022 02:02:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] How Dems Helped Spike Gas Prices
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-? jaq
 
 
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Sent: Fri, Mar 25, 2022 7:28 pm
Subject: [Rushtalk] How Dems Helped Spike Gas Prices

 

How Dems Helped Spike Gas Prices
 
L.A. gas prices, March 7, 2022. / Getty Images Joseph Simonson ? March 8, 2022 6:00 pm SHARE





Despite reassurances from the White House that it is doing nothing to discourage oil companies from opening new drill sites, President Joe Biden's allies in Congress just months ago pressured oil executives to decrease outputs because of climate change, raising questions about the Democratic Party's strategy to lower prices for consumers.

In late October, for example, the House Oversight and Reform Committee called in the CEOs of Exxon, BP, Shell, and Chevron to explain what steps they are taking to produce less oil and gas, with Rep. Hank Johnson (D., Ga.) alleging that "the world can't wait" any longer. At the time, gas prices were hovering around a 10-year high.

The hearing has gained new relevance as a global gas shortage has pushed prices to an all-time high. Prices are rising even more due to Russia's invasion of Ukraine, with no sign of falling after Biden's announcement that the United States will no longer accept Russian oil imports. Those facts have left Democrats scrambling for a solution before the November midterms as Republicans demand that the White House encourage domestic oil drilling operations.

The president said on Tuesday that his administration's policies are not "holding back domestic energy production," echoing comments from Press Secretary Jen Psaki, who said that "federal policies are not limiting the supplies of oil and gas" before mentioning the thousands of unused pre-approved oil and gas drilling leases.

"You can draw a direct line from how the Democrats marauded energy production yesterday to the unprecedented pain Americans are feeling at the pump today," said CounterPoint Strategies president Jim McCarthy, a policy adviser for leading energy companies.

Some Democrats, such as Rep. Ro Khanna (Calif.), have demanded that domestic oil companies dramatically curtail their domestic operations. At the same time, Khanna has called for the United States to end its dependency on oil imports from countries such as Russia.

In one exchange during the October hearing, Khanna pressed Shell president Gretchen Watkins on whether she agreed that "under the Paris agreement that ? we need to have oil and gas production declining every year." After she answered that the company believes "that hydrocarbon demand needs to reduce if we're going to get to net zero [emissions] by 2050," Khanna demanded to know whether Shell will decrease its production by 2 percent each year, a figure initially offered by the company in 2019.

"This is what happens when left-wing Democrat fantasies meet reality. Khanna and other Democrats spent most of the fall trying to strangle the life out of oil and gas companies and are now feigning surprise and evading responsibility at the outcome," said McCarthy.

Khanna also demanded to know whether Chevron CEO Michael Wirth was embarrassed that his company has increased production while "the European counterparts are going down." When Wirth said that global demand has increased, Khanna asked for a commitment to help "bring the actual demand of oil production down."

Rep. Robin Kelly (D., Ill.) continued Khanna's line of questioning Watkins, asking, "Will Shell commit to reducing gas production as part of its emissions reductions plans?"

"In light of the invasion of Ukraine, Rep. Khanna called on President Biden to release oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to bring down the price of gas and supports oil companies increasing production at existing facilities in the short term," a Khanna spokeswoman told the Washington Free Beacon.?"In the long term, he believes we need a moonshot to develop renewable energy sources to prevent similar situations from happening in the future and have a more diversified energy source."

Kelly's and Johnson's offices did not respond to requests for comment.

The average price for gasoline at the end of Biden's first week of office was $2.39 a gallon. Prices have now hit above $4. Although defenders of the president say the rising prices are forces outside the administration's control, as well as Russian president Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine, Republicans say Biden's decision to cancel the Keystone XL pipeline and institute a moratorium on new gas leases is responsible.

Democrats scheduled a followup hearing with oil executives for Tuesday, March 8. That hearing was subsequently canceled last-minute, with no explanation given.

Published under: Climate Change, Gas Prices, Oil, Ro Khanna, Russia, Ukraine Invasion 





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From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2022 09:18:21 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] Just for fun glue for liberal mouths.
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From: quaylejohn at aol.com (John  A. Quayle)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2022 16:29:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] Just for fun glue for liberal mouths.
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From cwsiv at juno.com  Sat Mar 26 12:21:26 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2022 11:21:26 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] Don't look now
Message-ID: <1648318886.15934.16.camel@linux-7k5b.site>



Published: Mar 1, 2022
Author: James Howard Kunstler

Ukraine is a manageable localized problem in a distant part of the world
and Russia is going to manage it. The American crisis of confidence in
its own operating system is something else.

Did ?Joe Biden?s? handlers actually want to start World War Three? They
are the same posse who contrived the Russian Collusion hysteria of
2016-19, then launched Covid-19 ? and the even more deadly mass
?vaccination? response to it ? and have now successfully goaded Russia
into cleaning up the international hub of grift and mischief known as
Ukraine. One thing established for sure as fact: the ?Joe Biden? family
received plenty of cash off that grift wagon, and those ?handlers? have
neatly ring-fenced it from official scrutiny. Where does that leave the
so-called president of the US in the current crisis?

The scant news coming out of Ukraine is so infected with propaganda that
it?s impossible to know exactly what?s going on there these early days
of the Russian invasion. Some interested parties say that Russia is
getting its ass kicked by a Ukrainian resistance. More temperate reports
suggest that Russian forces are proceeding methodically to capture and
neutralize Ukraine?s meager military assets. Apparently, Ukraine and
Russia are holding a diplomatic parlay today at the Belarus border. You
might style that as ?peace talks,? but who knows? There are no real
functioning international news agencies anymore.

The current CIA-approved narrative wants you to believe that Vlad Putin
seeks to reassemble the old Soviet Union and will move next to capture
the Baltic States: Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania. I doubt this since all
those countries have their own cultures rather emphatically hostile to
Russia and required onerous operating subsidies from Moscow back in the
Soviet day. Ukraine will surely be enough of a burden for Russia going
forward.

An alternate narrative to the CIA?s scare story would follow the Occam?s
Razor rule that the simplest explanation is probably the truth ? namely,
that there was no other way to stop Ukraine?s shelling and mortar
attacks against the ethnic Russian population in the Donbas which, by
the way, was carried out with US-gifted armaments. And there was no
other way to disabuse the USA from the idea that Ukraine should join
NATO and thereby become a missile launching base on Russia?s border.

Western Civ?s response so far is to cut off its nose to spite its face.
A sidebar to the CIA-approved narrative is that the West should
shut-down Russia?s export economy in response to their action in
Ukraine. Of course, the EU members know that they can?t take a pass on
Russian oil and natgas, unless they want to eat cold bratwurst and
linguini in the dark. But this reality hasn?t stopped the USA from
militating for that. Likewise, shutting Russia out of the SWIFT money
transfer system will only achieve chaos in global trade and
international banking ? but chaos is what you get with ?Joe Biden?s?
Party of Chaos running things.

These are the folks who worked tirelessly to drive America insane since
2016 and now they?re capping their ?hat-trick? of mind-fuckery with the
specter of World War Three. Notice how neatly their engineered mass
formation psychosis segued from Trump/Russia to Covid-19 and now the
threat of going nuclear over Ukraine. My theory of the case would be as
follows: America?s Deep State provoked Russia in Ukraine to cover up its
own massive crimes against American citizens which now verge on being
fully exposed.

The timing on Ukraine couldn?t have been more seemingly fortuitous.
America ? indeed the whole world ? has awakened to the apparent reality
that mass vaccination is killing off a lot of people before their time.
The news is out, coming not from the public health bureaucracy but from
such unexpected sources as actuaries in the insurance industry who
collate quarterly death rates and morticians observing unusual morbid
oddities in the bodies they prepare for burial. This comes at the very
same time as reports that the CDC deliberately falsified Covid-19 death
and injury statistics, both for the disease itself and for the mRNA
?vaccines.? The FDA is also implicated in approving falsified ?vaccine?
trial data. One result of all that is the crash of Moderna and Pfizer
stocks, as the geniuses on Wall Street suss out the mountain range of
litigation that looms in the distance.

But they must know ? and hundreds of appointed and elected officials
must know ? that the blowback from Covid-19 doesn?t stop with mere civil
lawsuits but extends to criminal cases of supreme consequence:
deliberate mass murder, extending to the highest levels of officialdom
in many countries. To this day the CDC and state health departments are
pushing ?vaccines,? despite massive mounting evidence that the shots
cause organ damage and mess up immune systems at a rate, and to a
degree, astronomically above any previous vaccines. They must know that
the official standard-of-care using remdesivir and intubation was
overwhelmingly likely to kill hospital in-patients. They must know that
early treatment protocols using cheap off-label drugs were highly
effective and that banning early treatment ? to maintain Emergency Use
Authorization for killer ?vaccines? ? amounted to mass homicide.

It will get harder and harder to ignore widespread untimely death going
forward as the ?vaccines? work their vicious hoodoo on the boosted
population, and even the most obdurately spellbound ?vaccine?
cheerleaders will have to endure such surges of cognitive dissonance
that heads are sure to explode. So, the Ukraine invasion was the best
means at hand to cover-up all that, and the longer the US government can
feed that monster, and keep it going, the more they can shift the focus
off the monumental frauds and homicides they carried out and will be
criminally liable for.

Secondarily to all that, of course, is the emerging picture of pervasive
corruption and crime among the three-letter agencies that special
counsel John Durham is getting ready to feed to the dumpster fire of
institutional failure that US politics has become. Ukraine is a
manageable localized problem in a distant part of the world and Russia
is going to manage it. The American crisis of confidence in its own
operating system is something else. 

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From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2022 11:38:04 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are
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On Tue, 2022-03-15 at 16:53 +0000, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
> I think we have all agreed on the issue of being forced. I don?t
> believe it has to be an all or nothing proposition.


Yes by all means let liberals drive tinfoil cars which get good mileage
which can not stand collision with a Yugo and east coast liberals drive
electric toys which quit in the winter and so become commie popsicles in
the Winter thus saving America from their voting and opening up whole
states to be repopulated with Americans.

but do not force that Earthmother godless nonsense on someone who is not
of that religion.  If human sacrifice is part of their religion then let
them die do not demand that I participate in that religion.




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From cwsiv at juno.com  Sat Mar 26 12:39:02 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2022 11:39:02 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are
 eviroromentally a disaster)
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On Tue, 2022-03-15 at 16:56 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
> Tell that to the current administration!!!! 


Are you kidding Fraud Biden listens only to the voices in his head or
rather his earpiece.


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From cwsiv at juno.com  Sat Mar 26 12:41:07 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2022 11:41:07 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are
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On Tue, 2022-03-15 at 13:03 -0400, Dennis Putnam via Rushtalk wrote:
> Yes, sadly it is Brandon's way or the highway. A new Congress may slow
> it down if enough RINOs are primaried out. But not much significant
> can happen until after the 2024 election and the entire bureaucracy
> can be purged. That seems highly unlikely no matter who wins in 2024.
> I'm afraid I am becoming as pessimistic as Stephen.


The purge is coming I am in doubt as to it being peaceful.  Designated
Survivor seems to be appropriate its just a matter of when the regime
will provoke it in the way that FDR provoked Japan.




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From cwsiv at juno.com  Sat Mar 26 12:43:07 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2022 11:43:07 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are
 eviroromentally a disaster)
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On Tue, 2022-03-15 at 17:50 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
> Make room for me, fellas........I'm really disheartened that there are
> certain people who could do any horrible thing imaginable and not be
> punished. Equal justice under the law? My backside!


Or any justice.  Look at Biden's current SCOTUS nominee a pro pedophile
judge.  Truly the Democrats have sunk to a level lower than Judas
Iscariot.  


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From cwsiv at juno.com  Sat Mar 26 12:44:40 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2022 11:44:40 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are
 eviroromentally a disaster)
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On Tue, 2022-03-15 at 21:25 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
> Obviously not, since Hilldebeast and St. Fauci of Wuhan are both still
> running free after lying to Congress.........


Yes where has Fauci gotten to some Bush family hideout in Bolivia or
Brazil where he can not be extradited for Nuremberg violations and mass
murder by Vaccine??


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From quaylejohn at aol.com  Sat Mar 26 12:46:23 2022
From: quaylejohn at aol.com (John  A. Quayle)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2022 18:46:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are
 eviroromentally a disaster)
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 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Because of pressure, Joe Manchin is toeing the party line, assuring this sick woman joins the high court. Not a gosh-darned thing we can do, either!
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Spitzer {C Juno} via Rushtalk <rushtalk at csdco.com>
To: rushtalk at csdco.com
Cc: Carl Spitzer {C Juno} <cwsiv at juno.com>
Sent: Sat, Mar 26, 2022 2:43 pm
Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are eviroromentally a disaster)

 On Tue, 2022-03-15 at 17:50 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
 Make room for me, fellas........I'm really disheartened that there are certain people who could do any horrible thing imaginable and not be punished. Equal justice under the law? My backside!


Or any justice.? Look at Biden's current SCOTUS nominee a pro pedophile judge.? Truly the Democrats have sunk to a level lower than Judas Iscariot.? 

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From cwsiv at juno.com  Sat Mar 26 12:47:25 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2022 11:47:25 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] Just Received This - Dovetails With EVs
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On Tue, 2022-03-15 at 11:46 +0000, Tom Matiska via Rushtalk wrote:
> 
> Remember the doomsday "peak oil" predictions of a few short decades
> ago?   The battery industry must be approaching "peak lithium" by now.
> Tom     Peak oil, 20 years later: Failed prediction or useful insight?
> - ScienceDirect


So was PEAK oil a ploy by the energy industry for more money or war to
control supply??  

Or was it a ploy by the environmental nutters to scare us into agreeing
with them??


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From dap1 at bellsouth.net  Sat Mar 26 13:00:19 2022
From: dap1 at bellsouth.net (Dennis Putnam)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2022 15:00:19 -0400
Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are
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Doesn't matter. RINO Romney has already said he will vote to confirm.

On 3/26/2022 2:46 PM, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
> Because of pressure, Joe Manchin is toeing the party line, assuring 
> this sick woman joins the high court. Not a gosh-darned thing we can 
> do, either!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carl Spitzer {C Juno} via Rushtalk <rushtalk at csdco.com>
> To: rushtalk at csdco.com
> Cc: Carl Spitzer {C Juno} <cwsiv at juno.com>
> Sent: Sat, Mar 26, 2022 2:43 pm
> Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are 
> eviroromentally a disaster)
>
> On Tue, 2022-03-15 at 17:50 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
>> Make room for me, fellas........I'm really disheartened that there 
>> are certain people who could do any horrible thing imaginable and not 
>> be punished. Equal justice under the law? My backside!
>
> Or any justice.? Look at Biden's current SCOTUS nominee a pro 
> pedophile judge.? Truly the Democrats have sunk to a level lower than 
> Judas Iscariot.
>
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From quaylejohn at aol.com  Sat Mar 26 13:58:01 2022
From: quaylejohn at aol.com (John  A. Quayle)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2022 19:58:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are
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 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? This woman cannot/won't even define a "woman" as an adult female. We're stuck with her ignorance, I'm afraid.............. 
-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Putnam via Rushtalk <rushtalk at csdco.com>
To: rushtalk at csdco.com
Cc: Dennis Putnam <dap1 at bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sat, Mar 26, 2022 3:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are eviroromentally a disaster)

  Doesn't matter. RINO Romney has already said he will vote to confirm.
 
 On 3/26/2022 2:46 PM, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
  
   ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Because of pressure, Joe Manchin is toeing the party line, assuring this sick woman joins the high court. Not a gosh-darned thing we can do, either!
   
   
  -----Original Message-----
 From: Carl Spitzer {C Juno} via Rushtalk <rushtalk at csdco.com>
 To: rushtalk at csdco.com
 Cc: Carl Spitzer {C Juno} <cwsiv at juno.com>
 Sent: Sat, Mar 26, 2022 2:43 pm
 Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are eviroromentally a disaster)
 
   On Tue, 2022-03-15 at 17:50 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote: 
 Make room for me, fellas........I'm really disheartened that there are certain people who could do any horrible thing imaginable and not be punished. Equal justice under the law? My backside!
 
 
 Or any justice.? Look at Biden's current SCOTUS nominee a pro pedophile judge.? Truly the Democrats have sunk to a level lower than Judas Iscariot.? 
 
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From dap1 at bellsouth.net  Sat Mar 26 14:04:01 2022
From: dap1 at bellsouth.net (Dennis Putnam)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2022 16:04:01 -0400
Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are
 eviroromentally a disaster)
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The way I see it, Brandon promised to nominate a black woman. Since we 
can't define what a woman is then he has failed to meet his promise. We 
can't know if (s)he is a black woman or not.

On 3/26/2022 3:58 PM, John A. Quayle wrote:
> This woman cannot/won't even define a "woman" as an adult female. 
> We're stuck with her ignorance, I'm afraid..............
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis Putnam via Rushtalk <rushtalk at csdco.com>
> To: rushtalk at csdco.com
> Cc: Dennis Putnam <dap1 at bellsouth.net>
> Sent: Sat, Mar 26, 2022 3:00 pm
> Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are 
> eviroromentally a disaster)
>
> Doesn't matter. RINO Romney has already said he will vote to confirm.
>
> On 3/26/2022 2:46 PM, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
>> Because of pressure, Joe Manchin is toeing the party line, assuring 
>> this sick woman joins the high court. Not a gosh-darned thing we can 
>> do, either!
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Carl Spitzer {C Juno} via Rushtalk <rushtalk at csdco.com> 
>> <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
>> To: rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
>> Cc: Carl Spitzer {C Juno} <cwsiv at juno.com> <mailto:cwsiv at juno.com>
>> Sent: Sat, Mar 26, 2022 2:43 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They 
>> are eviroromentally a disaster)
>>
>> On Tue, 2022-03-15 at 17:50 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
>>> Make room for me, fellas........I'm really disheartened that there 
>>> are certain people who could do any horrible thing imaginable and 
>>> not be punished. Equal justice under the law? My backside!
>>
>> Or any justice.? Look at Biden's current SCOTUS nominee a pro 
>> pedophile judge.? Truly the Democrats have sunk to a level lower than 
>> Judas Iscariot.
>>
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From quaylejohn at aol.com  Sat Mar 26 19:51:07 2022
From: quaylejohn at aol.com (John  A. Quayle)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2022 01:51:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] Meanwhile, Here In Penn's Woods..................
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From cwsiv at juno.com  Sun Mar 27 03:58:04 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2022 02:58:04 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] =?utf-8?q?Trump_insists_Ukraine_crisis_would_not_have?=
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Trump insists Ukraine crisis would not have happened while he was
president: ?I know Putin very well?



        







Eric Garcia February 22, 2022, 8:53 AM?2 min read 

In this article: 

        







        

Donald TrumpDonald Trump 45th President of the United States 

        Vladimir Putin
        Vladimir Putin
        President of Russia



(AFP via Getty Images)(AFP via Getty Images) Former president Donald
Trump broke his silence about the crisis in Ukraine to slam the Biden
administration, saying it would not have happened during his
administration since he knows Russian President Vladimir Putin well.

? I know Vladimir Putin very well, and he would have never done during
the Trump Administration what he is doing now, no way!? Mr Trump said in
a statement from his Save America PAC. Mr Trump faulted President Joe
Biden for letting Russia become rich because of higher gas prices.

?The weak sanctions are insignificant relative to taking over a country
and a massive piece of strategically located land,? he said. ?Now it has
begun, oil prices are going higher and higher, and Putin is not only
getting what he always wanted, but getting, because of the oil and gas
surge, richer and richer.?

Mr Trump had been largely quiet for the past three weeks when it came to
Ukraine. He last mentioned Ukraine during a rally in Texas in relation
to immigration.

?Everyone in Washington is obsessing over how to protect Ukraine?s
border?but the most important border in the world is not Ukraine?s
border, it?s America?s Border but let people come in and we have no idea
who they are,? he told a crowd in Conroe. ?The first duty of the
American president is to defend the American border.?

Prior to the rally in Texas, the only thing he had said was simply
?What?s happening with Russia and Ukraine would never have happened
under the Trump Administration,? and that it was ?Not even a
possibility!?

The former president has a sordid history when it comes to Ukraine. The
House of Representatives impeached him after a transcript from phone
call with then-newly-elected Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky
revealed that he had tried to make Ukraine investigating Mr Biden?s son
Hunter a condition for providing military aid to Ukraine.



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From dap1 at bellsouth.net  Sun Mar 27 08:56:34 2022
From: dap1 at bellsouth.net (Dennis Putnam)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2022 10:56:34 -0400
Subject: [Rushtalk] Meanwhile, Here In Penn's Woods..................
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So you are saying you are required to hire certain felons? For example, 
banks must hire bank robbers?

On 3/26/2022 9:51 PM, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
> 	
> <https://click1.e.westernjournal.com/pcqlcrwytmrbcrlgbyfhrbrhrfbfdkjwdwmvflkhdvfmdcj_tpzhcjcpllklcbjhhmbch.html?a=4f01fb241959cae4448ca645bec99941> 
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> Employers Face Nightmare Under PA Bill Making It Illegal to Consider 
> Certain Crimes When Choosing Applicants 
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From stephen.frye at outlook.com  Sun Mar 27 10:13:39 2022
From: stephen.frye at outlook.com (Stephen Frye)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2022 16:13:39 +0000
Subject: [Rushtalk] Meanwhile, Here In Penn's Woods..................
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As much as I am against posting links, I read this one already.  The headline definitely appeals to sensationalism - which is exactly why I shy away from headlines and links.  Headlines are most always exaggerated teasers.  Waste of time.

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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Meanwhile, Here In Penn's Woods..................

So you are saying you are required to hire certain felons? For example, banks must hire bank robbers?

On 3/26/2022 9:51 PM, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:

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From stephen.frye at outlook.com  Sun Mar 27 10:16:27 2022
From: stephen.frye at outlook.com (Stephen Frye)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2022 16:16:27 +0000
Subject: [Rushtalk] 
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Claim all he wants.  It?s unverifiable.  And we could argue about this ad infinitum.  Bottom line, we will never no for sure.

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Subject: [Rushtalk] Trump insists Ukraine crisis would not have happened while he was president: ?I know Putin very well?






Trump insists Ukraine crisis would not have happened while he was president: ?I know Putin very well?








Eric Garcia February 22, 2022, 8:53 AM?2 min read

In this article:








[Donald Trump]Donald Trump 45th President of the United States

[Vladimir Putin]
Vladimir Putin
President of Russia


[(AFP via Getty Images)](AFP via Getty Images) Former president Donald Trump<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Ftopic%2Fdonald-trump&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cffbbe4990c9e4861766c08da0fd87833%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637839719656541041%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=vTX6stM4yHt%2FfRdsLZLdIJZs5FwqlcLL3erc7xRjiBA%3D&reserved=0> broke his silence about the crisis in Ukraine<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Ftopic%2Fukraine&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cffbbe4990c9e4861766c08da0fd87833%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637839719656541041%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=gEqtvgUBx3MkdBkVQZNNeUK4cGBOfIup7xtdk7cmRqI%3D&reserved=0> to slam the Biden<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Ftopic%2Fbiden&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cffbbe4990c9e4861766c08da0fd87833%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637839719656541041%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=gKwnlz2OKeUwxuToftmjDYNsPRtS%2FDFTnoIyE7uyu0o%3D&reserved=0> administration, saying it would not have happened during his administration since he knows Russian President Vladimir Putin<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Ftopic%2Fvladimir-putin&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cffbbe4990c9e4861766c08da0fd87833%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637839719656541041%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=KJ4oyDc57N4NzzI3vYMarHyEVs%2Fa5VvyYHN1eKa1t3U%3D&reserved=0> well.

? I know Vladimir Putin very well, and he would have never done during the Trump Administration<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Ftopic%2Ftrump-administration&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cffbbe4990c9e4861766c08da0fd87833%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637839719656541041%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=9EhvlWSs9DcNZklC1fetxneRshFnz5KNP6quT2Xixn0%3D&reserved=0> what he is doing now, no way!? Mr Trump said in a statement from his Save America PAC. Mr Trump faulted President Joe Biden<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Ftopic%2Fjoe-biden&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cffbbe4990c9e4861766c08da0fd87833%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637839719656541041%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=0dD8LSDUgD%2BqrS%2B5z1V6X0WLIb7V25VA5RlaivD8sqU%3D&reserved=0> for letting Russia become rich because of higher gas prices.

?The weak sanctions are insignificant relative to taking over a country and a massive piece of strategically located land,? he said. ?Now it has begun, oil prices are going higher and higher, and Putin is not only getting what he always wanted, but getting, because of the oil and gas surge, richer and richer.?

Mr Trump had been largely quiet for the past three weeks when it came to Ukraine. He last mentioned Ukraine during a rally in Texas<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Findy-cms-prod.brightsites.co.uk%2Farticle%2Fedit%2F2020669&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cffbbe4990c9e4861766c08da0fd87833%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637839719656541041%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=x5RzxPxCmFodG%2BVc4eOdZwU2NlI%2FLUqluOPPkoKWncc%3D&reserved=0> in relation to immigration.

?Everyone in Washington is obsessing over how to protect Ukraine?s border?but the most important border in the world is not Ukraine?s border, it?s America?s Border but let people come in and we have no idea who they are,? he told a crowd in Conroe. ?The first duty of the American president is to defend the American border.?

Prior to the rally in Texas, the only thing he had said was simply ?What?s happening with Russia and Ukraine would never have happened under the Trump Administration,? and that it was ?Not even a possibility!?

The former president has a sordid history<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fworld%2Famericas%2Fus-politics%2Ftrump-ukraine-russia-impeachment-biden-b1999738.html&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cffbbe4990c9e4861766c08da0fd87833%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637839719656541041%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=eltXRBzurEytiYFRa5VfQW7iXkPEe7k2dqsQIAO7yic%3D&reserved=0> when it comes to Ukraine. The House of Representatives impeached him after a transcript from phone call with then-newly-elected Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky revealed that he had tried to make Ukraine investigating Mr Biden?s son Hunter a condition for providing military aid to Ukraine.



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From quaylejohn at aol.com  Sun Mar 27 14:34:20 2022
From: quaylejohn at aol.com (John  A. Quayle)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2022 20:34:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] Meanwhile, Here In Penn's Woods..................
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 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? That seems to be the case, Dennis. This bill is before the state legislature at the moment, but the idiots will approve of it.
 
 
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  So you are saying you are required to hire certain felons? For example, banks must hire bank robbers?
 
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Bad information.  RTFB.

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                        That seems to be the case, Dennis. This bill is before the state legislature at the moment, but the idiots will approve of it.


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From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 11:37:21 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] The truth about electric cars
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The truth about electric cars

They are far more environmentally damaging than normal cars. 


Andrew Orlowski 

3rd March 2022
The truth about electric cars
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Topics Politics Science & Tech 
A cargo ship called the Felicity Ace, carrying 4,000 luxury cars
collectively worth around $438million, caught fire last month.
Thankfully, the crew members were not harmed and managed to quickly
abandon ship. The fire, however, burned for a week. This was because the
lithium-ion batteries inside the electric vehicles (EVs) in the
consignment kept the fire alive. The fire only died once the supply of
combustible material on board was exhausted. 



Something similar happened in July last year. In Victoria, Australia, a
13-tonne Tesla ?Megapack? facility ? which uses a vast array of
lithium-ion batteries to store energy generated by intermittent
renewables ? caught fire. This fire eventually burned itself out after
three days. In that time, it created numerous ecological hazards,
including toxic smoke, which engulfed local residents. But firefighters
could do little more than monitor the environmental damage ? they had to
wait for the fire to put itself out. 

?The most significant danger of a lithium-ion battery is that [fires]
are almost impossible to put out once they are ignited?, notes engineer
Robin Mitchell. ?No matter how many safety systems are put in place?, he
says, ?a fire started by a lithium-ion battery is far too challenging to
manage?. Such technology, Mitchell concludes, ?may only be suitable for
small-scale systems such as smartphones and EVs?. Even so, the fire
risks posed by EV batteries are not insignificant.



Most of us carry a lithium-ion battery in our smartphone without
thinking about it, and these are relatively safe. The danger of using
larger lithium-ion batteries in larger configurations has been
recognised by authorities since their commercial introduction in 1991.
For instance, US airlines do not permit laptops with integrated
batteries larger than 100 watt hours on board. The likelihood of the
battery catching fire is relatively low. But in the event of a fire, to
extinguish it, you can?t use water. The fire risks are even greater for
an EV, which is a bit like a tightly packed sandwich of hundreds of
laptop batteries. 

So, what are our environmental campaigners doing to draw our attention
to this great new hazard? You may have noticed a curious absence of
Change.org petitions, hashtags or alarming reports from the likes of BBC
News. 


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This is even more surprising when you consider the ecological damage and
exploitation that goes into producing the batteries. Lithium extraction
is filthy and it uses huge amounts of groundwater. In Chile, mining
activities in the Salar de Atacama region consume 65 per cent of the
area?s water. Toxic chemicals from the mining process have been known to
leak into water supplies. Researchers in Nevada found that fish as far
as 150 miles downstream were being impacted by mining operations. 

Lithium-ion batteries also need a lot of cobalt ? typically around 14kg
per car battery. Extracting this is dirty and dangerous. In the
Democratic Republic of Congo, the world?s largest supplier, children as
young as seven wash and sort ores as ?artisanal miners?, according to an
Amnesty report from 2016. 



This, then, is an environmental story that has failed to make the usual
species leap from academic researcher to NGO media campaigner to TV news
producer. This is odd, given that the precautionary principle has been a
staple of environmentalist campaigning for five decades now. For
instance, shale-gas exploration cannot proceed, green activists argue,
because fracking risks causing ?earthquakes?, even though these tend to
be largely imperceptible. Yet when it comes to EVs and lithium-ion
batteries, the precautionary principle seems to have been laid to rest
for a while.

The dangers of lithium-ion batteries are evident in the number of
high-profile product recalls. Dell recalled four million batteries in
2006. HP recalled more than 100,000 laptops in 2019 because of
battery-fire risks. After causing fires on flights, Samsung?s Note 7
smartphone was recalled ? twice ? and then sidelined completely. 


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The costs and risks only increase with larger products. Fires
originating in the battery in Chevrolet Bolt vehicles are estimated to
have cost General Motors around $2 billion. Audi had to recall its
E-Tron SUV for the same reason. Parked Teslas keep bursting into flames
? and the company has been castigated for not recalling the vehicles.

Instead of exposing this great environmental danger, the BBC can be
found promoting the batteries. ?There?s no doubt that batteries are
central to a low-carbon future?, a recent film in its ?Ideas? series
explained. ?Lithium-ion batteries can store clean energy for when the
sun isn?t shining and the wind isn?t blowing, sending it out on grey
days with the strength and reliability that rivals fossil fuels.?
Hurray!



Even more curious is that the green priesthood has blessed
lithium-powered EVs as an ?environmentally friendly? successor to
vehicles powered by the internal combustion engine (ICE). The argument
is that since EVs do not use an ICE, which is powered by an oil
derivative (petrol or diesel), driving them results in lower CO2
emissions.

Yet last week, Britain?s most popular car YouTuber, Tim Burton (more
widely known as Shmee), announced that he was replacing his electric
Porsche with a petrol-powered Ferrari V12 ? because it?s greener and
cleaner. His reason may surprise many who believe that EVs are either
?low? or ?zero? CO2-emission vehicles. 



Burton cited a study that Volvo released during the COP26 climate
summit. This study, led by Andrea Egeskog of the Sustainability Center
at Volvo, received remarkably little attention at the time. Volvo is
unusual in being able to make direct comparisons between two versions of
the same car model, the XC40 SUV. One is electric, the other has an ICE.
Volvo calculated the CO2 emissions over the full lifecycle of the two
products: from mining the minerals, like lithium and cobalt, to the end
of their lives, including disposal. 

Out of the factory gate, the electric car begins its life on the wrong
side of the tracks ? having generated far more CO2 than the
petrol-guzzling version. That?s because of lithium and the other
rare-earth minerals required to manufacture the ?planet-saving? EV. The
emissions from the materials and the production of the ICE version of
Volvo?s XC40 are roughly 40 per cent lower than for the EV. 



Of course, the ICE model continues to consume fossil fuels for as long
as it?s in use. But for the electric version to ?break even?, so to
speak, it has to do a lot of miles on the clock. Its eco-friendliness
also depends enormously on how the electricity used to charge the
batteries is generated. Volvo advises that, based on a typical global
energy mix, if you drive under 93,000 miles you will cause greater
emissions by choosing an electric vehicle over the petrol version. In
the EU, which uses a higher proportion of renewables, the break-even
point is still 52,000 miles. Hence Burton?s decision to return his EV. A
high-performance Ferrari or Porsche car will never achieve such mileage.
Nor will a normal car like mine. If I replace my 19-year-old car
tomorrow, and take the ?green option? instead of the petrol option, I
will be poorer, because the EV equivalent is so much more expensive, and
it will only finally start to achieve CO2-emissions savings over the
petrol rival some time in the late 2040s. But it won?t ever reach that
point, as the battery will be depleted long before then. 

Despite all this, the major car manufacturers have ploughed billions
into the development of EVs. EVs have also been heavily subsidised by
governments as a means to achieve their climate goals. ?What if those
billions of dollars had been put into the internal combustion engine,
how much better would they have got??, Burton muses.



Many of the EVs sold today are ?urban runabouts? ? that is, vehicles
that will never reach the CO2 ?break even? point, and will therefore
emit more CO2 than a petrol equivalent. Since the practical value of an
EV today in reducing CO2 emissions is zero, its value is merely to
signal moral superiority, showing others that you care and they don?t.
It is a status good. It makes the owner feel better. 

The curious moral of the story is that, even by their own standards,
environmentalists aren?t terribly good at practising what they preach.
If, as climate change campaigners insist, our cars are ?killing the
planet?, then it?s the virtuous among us who are killing the planet
faster. That such hypocrisy from the green elites has gone unchallenged
for so long is remarkable. It surely can?t last.



Andrew Orlowski is founder of the research network Think of X and a
columnist at the Telegraph.


 
        
        
        
        
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From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 11:41:55 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are
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On Sat, 2022-03-26 at 18:46 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
>                         Because of pressure, Joe Manchin is toeing the
> party line, assuring this sick woman joins the high court. Not a
> gosh-darned thing we can do, either!


I believe the days of laying back and taking it like a whore are quickly
ending in America.
Unless Trump returns its likely everyone will go their own way and
ignore government alltogether.




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From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 11:42:42 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are
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On Sat, 2022-03-26 at 15:00 -0400, Dennis Putnam via Rushtalk wrote:
> Doesn't matter. RINO Romney has already said he will vote to confirm.


RINO == Democrat enemy in disguise who needs to be kicked out on his ass
quickly.





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From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 11:44:06 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] Batteries are only a storage device! (They are
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On Sat, 2022-03-26 at 19:58 +0000, John A. Quayle via Rushtalk wrote:
> This woman cannot/won't even define a "woman" as an adult female.
> We're stuck with her ignorance, I'm afraid...........


Only until some impeachable offense is found in her like being appointed
by a fraudulent president.




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From quaylejohn at aol.com  Tue Mar 29 12:45:59 2022
From: quaylejohn at aol.com (John  A. Quayle)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 18:45:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rushtalk] The truth about electric cars
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 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? I'll never drive one. I'm one of those people who think that there is already too much electronic gadgetry onboard gasoline vehicles already. Too much that can go wrong and be expensive to fix. I don't need a backup camera or some program that reads me text messages and e-mail to me while I'm driving. I don't need tire pressure sensors to know I've got a flat tire. Transportation should be simple and repairable by the driver with a modicum of tools............................
 
 
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Subject: [Rushtalk] The truth about electric cars

  
The truth about electric cars
They are far more environmentally damaging than normal cars. 



Andrew Orlowski 
3rd March 2022Share Topics Politics Science & Tech A cargo ship called the Felicity Ace, carrying 4,000 luxury cars collectively worth around $438million, caught fire last month. Thankfully, the crew members were not harmed and managed to quickly abandon ship. The fire, however, burned for a week. This was because the lithium-ion batteries inside the electric vehicles (EVs) in the consignment kept the fire alive. The fire only died once the supply of combustible material on board was exhausted. 



Something similar happened in July last year. In Victoria, Australia, a 13-tonne Tesla ?Megapack? facility ? which uses a vast array of lithium-ion batteries to store energy generated by intermittent renewables ? caught fire. This fire eventually burned itself out after three days. In that time, it created numerous ecological hazards, including toxic smoke, which engulfed local residents. But firefighters could do little more than monitor the environmental damage ? they had to wait for the fire to put itself out. 

?The most significant danger of a lithium-ion battery is that [fires] are almost impossible to put out once they are ignited?, notes engineer Robin Mitchell. ?No matter how many safety systems are put in place?, he says, ?a fire started by a lithium-ion battery is far too challenging to manage?. Such technology, Mitchell concludes, ?may only be suitable for small-scale systems such as smartphones and EVs?. Even so, the fire risks posed by EV batteries are not insignificant.



Most of us carry a lithium-ion battery in our smartphone without thinking about it, and these are relatively safe. The danger of using larger lithium-ion batteries in larger configurations has been recognised by authorities since their commercial introduction in 1991. For instance, US airlines do not permit laptops with integrated batteries larger than 100 watt hours on board. The likelihood of the battery catching fire is relatively low. But in the event of a fire, to extinguish it, you can?t use water. The fire risks are even greater for an EV, which is a bit like a tightly packed sandwich of hundreds of laptop batteries. 

So, what are our environmental campaigners doing to draw our attention to this great new hazard? You may have noticed a curious absence of Change.org petitions, hashtags or alarming reports from the likes of BBC News. 



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This is even more surprising when you consider the ecological damage and exploitation that goes into producing the batteries. Lithium extraction is filthy and it uses huge amounts of groundwater. In Chile, mining activities in the Salar de Atacama region consume 65 per cent of the area?s water. Toxic chemicals from the mining process have been known to leak into water supplies. Researchers in Nevada found that fish as far as 150 miles downstream were being impacted by mining operations. 

Lithium-ion batteries also need a lot of cobalt ? typically around 14kg per car battery. Extracting this is dirty and dangerous. In the Democratic Republic of Congo, the world?s largest supplier, children as young as seven wash and sort ores as ?artisanal miners?, according to an Amnesty report from 2016. 



This, then, is an environmental story that has failed to make the usual species leap from academic researcher to NGO media campaigner to TV news producer. This is odd, given that the precautionary principle has been a staple of environmentalist campaigning for five decades now. For instance, shale-gas exploration cannot proceed, green activists argue, because fracking risks causing ?earthquakes?, even though these tend to be largely imperceptible. Yet when it comes to EVs and lithium-ion batteries, the precautionary principle seems to have been laid to rest for a while.

The dangers of lithium-ion batteries are evident in the number of high-profile product recalls. Dell recalled four million batteries in 2006. HP recalled more than 100,000 laptops in 2019 because of battery-fire risks. After causing fires on flights, Samsung?s Note 7 smartphone was recalled ? twice ? and then sidelined completely. 



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The costs and risks only increase with larger products. Fires originating in the battery in Chevrolet Bolt vehicles are estimated to have cost General Motors around $2 billion. Audi had to recall its E-Tron SUV for the same reason. Parked Teslas keep bursting into flames ? and the company has been castigated for not recalling the vehicles.

Instead of exposing this great environmental danger, the BBC can be found promoting the batteries. ?There?s no doubt that batteries are central to a low-carbon future?, a recent film in its ?Ideas? series explained. ?Lithium-ion batteries can store clean energy for when the sun isn?t shining and the wind isn?t blowing, sending it out on grey days with the strength and reliability that rivals fossil fuels.? Hurray!



Even more curious is that the green priesthood has blessed lithium-powered EVs as an ?environmentally friendly? successor to vehicles powered by the internal combustion engine (ICE). The argument is that since EVs do not use an ICE, which is powered by an oil derivative (petrol or diesel), driving them results in lower CO2 emissions.

Yet last week, Britain?s most popular car YouTuber, Tim Burton (more widely known as Shmee), announced that he was replacing his electric Porsche with a petrol-powered Ferrari V12 ? because it?s greener and cleaner. His reason may surprise many who believe that EVs are either ?low? or ?zero? CO2-emission vehicles. 



Burton cited a study that Volvo released during the COP26 climate summit. This study, led by Andrea Egeskog of the Sustainability Center at Volvo, received remarkably little attention at the time. Volvo is unusual in being able to make direct comparisons between two versions of the same car model, the XC40 SUV. One is electric, the other has an ICE. Volvo calculated the CO2 emissions over the full lifecycle of the two products: from mining the minerals, like lithium and cobalt, to the end of their lives, including disposal. 

Out of the factory gate, the electric car begins its life on the wrong side of the tracks ? having generated far more CO2 than the petrol-guzzling version. That?s because of lithium and the other rare-earth minerals required to manufacture the ?planet-saving? EV. The emissions from the materials and the production of the ICE version of Volvo?s XC40 are roughly 40 per cent lower than for the EV. 



Of course, the ICE model continues to consume fossil fuels for as long as it?s in use. But for the electric version to ?break even?, so to speak, it has to do a lot of miles on the clock. Its eco-friendliness also depends enormously on how the electricity used to charge the batteries is generated. Volvo advises that, based on a typical global energy mix, if you drive under 93,000 miles you will cause greater emissions by choosing an electric vehicle over the petrol version. In the EU, which uses a higher proportion of renewables, the break-even point is still 52,000 miles. Hence Burton?s decision to return his EV. A high-performance Ferrari or Porsche car will never achieve such mileage. Nor will a normal car like mine. If I replace my 19-year-old car tomorrow, and take the ?green option? instead of the petrol option, I will be poorer, because the EV equivalent is so much more expensive, and it will only finally start to achieve CO2-emissions savings over the petrol rival some time in the late 2040s. But it won?t ever reach that point, as the battery will be depleted long before then. 

Despite all this, the major car manufacturers have ploughed billions into the development of EVs. EVs have also been heavily subsidised by governments as a means to achieve their climate goals. ?What if those billions of dollars had been put into the internal combustion engine, how much better would they have got??, Burton muses.



Many of the EVs sold today are ?urban runabouts? ? that is, vehicles that will never reach the CO2 ?break even? point, and will therefore emit more CO2 than a petrol equivalent. Since the practical value of an EV today in reducing CO2 emissions is zero, its value is merely to signal moral superiority, showing others that you care and they don?t. It is a status good. It makes the owner feel better. 

The curious moral of the story is that, even by their own standards, environmentalists aren?t terribly good at practising what they preach. If, as climate change campaigners insist, our cars are ?killing the planet?, then it?s the virtuous among us who are killing the planet faster. That such hypocrisy from the green elites has gone unchallenged for so long is remarkable. It surely can?t last.



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> Claim all he wants.  It?s unverifiable.  And we could argue about this
> ad infinitum.  Bottom line, we will never no for sure.


the only verification is what the True President Trump does when he
returns.  




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Looks like the Biden family corruption might get outed by Russia.
Perhaps this is why the Russia bashing to keep the truth out of the
news.
Or to cover for Biden's domestic troubles he so richly merits.


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Like Christy Alley at the Oscars long ago.
Seems being a member of a cult is a lot like being a democrat you need a
drunken conscience to tolerate the lies.


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Certainly hope that doesn?t happen.

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On Sun, 2022-03-27 at 16:16 +0000, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
Claim all he wants.  It?s unverifiable.  And we could argue about this ad infinitum.  Bottom line, we will never no for sure.


the only verification is what the True President Trump does when he returns.






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 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Stephen, let me get this straight - you wouldn't want to see Trump return, do I have that right? 
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Certainly hope that doesn?t happen.
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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Trump insists Ukraine crisis would not have happened while he was president: ?I know Putin very well??On Sun, 2022-03-27 at 16:16 +0000, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
Claim all he wants. ?It?s unverifiable. ?And we could argue about this ad infinitum. ?Bottom line, we will never no for sure.


the only verification is what the True President Trump does when he returns.? 





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So who are the bad neighbors the ones who move fences or the ones who
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From stephen.frye at outlook.com  Wed Mar 30 11:37:41 2022
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Yes you do.  He is too controversial.  He returns, he may accomplish some good things -no doubt, but he will also cause an unprecedented resurgence of division and hatred, and likely violence.  His fault?  No. But it will be real.  I am sickened by the hatred in this country.  I think the true, gut-level hatred in this country was started by Barrack Obama.  Even so, it exploded during the trump years.  Biden is still fueling it.  If we see conservatives hated and quashed now, wait for another Trump term.  I would much rather elect a President who will at least try to mend it.

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                        Stephen, let me get this straight - you wouldn't want to see Trump return, do I have that right?

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Certainly hope that doesn?t happen.

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On Sun, 2022-03-27 at 16:16 +0000, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
Claim all he wants.  It?s unverifiable.  And we could argue about this ad infinitum.  Bottom line, we will never no for sure.


the only verification is what the True President Trump does when he returns.





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??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Stephen, I deeply respect your opinion. The reason there's hatred in this country in MY opinion, is that there's a major war going on between good and evil. I'm not saying that Trump doesn't have his coarser moments or anything of that nature. He does. But, he's not a part of the "New World Order club" and is out to break their grip on the world. He's got enough money that he can't be bought - you cannot say that about too many others. We've been living under progressive tyranny (brought on gradually) by those who hate us and everything we stand for. Can Trump stop them? I want him to try...............
 
 
 
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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Trump insists Ukraine crisis would not have happened while he was president: ?I know Putin very well?

 Yes you do. ?He is too controversial. ?He returns, he may accomplish some good things -no doubt, but he will also cause an unprecedented resurgence of division and hatred, and likely violence. ?His fault? ?No. But it will be real. ?I am sickened by the hatred in this country. ?I think the true, gut-level hatred in this country was started by Barrack Obama. ?Even so, it exploded during the trump years. ?Biden is still fueling it. ?If we see conservatives hated and quashed now, wait for another Trump term. ?I would much rather elect a President who will at least try to mend it.
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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Trump insists Ukraine crisis would not have happened while he was president: ?I know Putin very well????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Stephen, let me get this straight - you wouldn't want to see Trump return, do I have that right?
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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Trump insists Ukraine crisis would not have happened while he was president: ?I know Putin very well?

Certainly hope that doesn?t happen.
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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Trump insists Ukraine crisis would not have happened while he was president: ?I know Putin very well??On Sun, 2022-03-27 at 16:16 +0000, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
Claim all he wants. ?It?s unverifiable. ?And we could argue about this ad infinitum. ?Bottom line, we will never no for sure.


the only verification is what the True President Trump does when he returns.? 





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From: stephen.frye at outlook.com (Stephen Frye)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2022 18:13:10 +0000
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I agree with most of what you write here.  I am not entirely on board with the driving concept of good vs evil.  That aside, the base hatred in this country pushing us to the brink collapse.  I am far less concerned about what Trump might do than I am about the reactions to what Trump might do.  You mention progressive tyranny and their hatred for everything we do?  Yes, it was incremental.  And we stood by and watched it happen.  We are now stuck with the consequences.  I believe we ALL need to learn to work and live together, rather than trying to force everyone else to our way of thinking.  We can point our finger anywhere we chose to identify blame, but this entire country has already clearly demonstrated that such accomplishes nothing other than fueling yet more hatred.  What we have been doing so far simply doesn?t work.  When pushed, people dig in their heels. Push harder, dig in harder.  We are quickly consumed by and driven by emotion.  I am not suggesting concession, but electing a leader that will result in yet more of the same isn?t going to fix anything; it will only make it worse.  He could have the best ideas and best plans ever devised, and it simply won?t matter.  He is too hated to be able to reach the masses.

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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Trump insists Ukraine crisis would not have happened while he was president: ?I know Putin very well?

                        Stephen, I deeply respect your opinion. The reason there's hatred in this country in MY opinion, is that there's a major war going on between good and evil. I'm not saying that Trump doesn't have his coarser moments or anything of that nature. He does. But, he's not a part of the "New World Order club" and is out to break their grip on the world. He's got enough money that he can't be bought - you cannot say that about too many others. We've been living under progressive tyranny (brought on gradually) by those who hate us and everything we stand for. Can Trump stop them? I want him to try...............



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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Trump insists Ukraine crisis would not have happened while he was president: ?I know Putin very well?

Yes you do.  He is too controversial.  He returns, he may accomplish some good things -no doubt, but he will also cause an unprecedented resurgence of division and hatred, and likely violence.  His fault?  No. But it will be real.  I am sickened by the hatred in this country.  I think the true, gut-level hatred in this country was started by Barrack Obama.  Even so, it exploded during the trump years.  Biden is still fueling it.  If we see conservatives hated and quashed now, wait for another Trump term.  I would much rather elect a President who will at least try to mend it.

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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Trump insists Ukraine crisis would not have happened while he was president: ?I know Putin very well?

                        Stephen, let me get this straight - you wouldn't want to see Trump return, do I have that right?

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Certainly hope that doesn?t happen.

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On Sun, 2022-03-27 at 16:16 +0000, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
Claim all he wants.  It?s unverifiable.  And we could argue about this ad infinitum.  Bottom line, we will never no for sure.


the only verification is what the True President Trump does when he returns.





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From stephen.frye at outlook.com  Wed Mar 30 12:16:16 2022
From: stephen.frye at outlook.com (Stephen Frye)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2022 18:16:16 +0000
Subject: [Rushtalk] The truth about electric cars
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Valid concern, but my last Lexus went 100% issue free for over 200,000 miles with nothing more than oil changes and most of the scheduled maintence, three brake jobs. I think five sets of tires, wipers. Etc., but zero repairs.

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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] The truth about electric cars

                        I'll never drive one. I'm one of those people who think that there is already too much electronic gadgetry onboard gasoline vehicles already. Too much that can go wrong and be expensive to fix. I don't need a backup camera or some program that reads me text messages and e-mail to me while I'm driving. I don't need tire pressure sensors to know I've got a flat tire. Transportation should be simple and repairable by the driver with a modicum of tools............................


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Subject: [Rushtalk] The truth about electric cars

The truth about electric cars
They are far more environmentally damaging than normal cars.


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Something similar happened in July last year. In Victoria, Australia, a 13-tonne Tesla ?Megapack? facility ? which uses a vast array of lithium-ion batteries to store energy generated by intermittent renewables ? caught fire. This fire eventually burned itself out after three days. In that time, it created numerous ecological hazards, including toxic smoke, which engulfed local residents. But firefighters could do little more than monitor the environmental damage ? they had to wait for the fire to put itself out.

?The most significant danger of a lithium-ion battery is that [fires] are almost impossible to put out once they are ignited?, notes engineer Robin Mitchell<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.electropages.com%2Fblog%2F2021%2F08%2Fevidence-against-lithium-ion-storage&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc60f8eb610a544f81aaf08da11b45674%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637841763494763240%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=iJfm4oxC6iHU4udAjXdKkE3bfzYlaCUTMpKApsrZLR0%3D&reserved=0>. ?No matter how many safety systems are put in place?, he says, ?a fire started by a lithium-ion battery is far too challenging to manage?. Such technology, Mitchell concludes, ?may only be suitable for small-scale systems such as smartphones and EVs?. Even so, the fire risks posed by EV batteries are not insignificant.



Most of us carry a lithium-ion battery in our smartphone without thinking about it, and these are relatively safe. The danger of using larger lithium-ion batteries in larger configurations has been recognised by authorities since their commercial introduction in 1991. For instance, US airlines do not permit laptops with integrated batteries larger than 100 watt hours on board. The likelihood of the battery catching fire is relatively low. But in the event of a fire, to extinguish it, you can?t use water. The fire risks are even greater for an EV, which is a bit like a tightly packed sandwich of hundreds of laptop batteries.

So, what are our environmental campaigners doing to draw our attention to this great new hazard? You may have noticed a curious absence of Change.org petitions, hashtags or alarming reports from the likes of BBC News.


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This is even more surprising when you consider the ecological damage and exploitation that goes into producing the batteries. Lithium extraction is filthy and it uses huge amounts of groundwater. In Chile, mining activities in the Salar de Atacama region consume 65 per cent of the area?s water. Toxic chemicals from the mining process have been known to leak into water supplies. Researchers in Nevada found that fish as far as 150 miles downstream were being impacted by mining operations.

Lithium-ion batteries also need a lot of cobalt ? typically around 14kg per car battery. Extracting this is dirty and dangerous. In the Democratic Republic of Congo, the world?s largest supplier, children as young as seven wash and sort ores as ?artisanal miners?, according to an Amnesty report from 2016<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwp.lancs.ac.uk%2Flec101blog%2F2022%2F01%2F19%2Fcobalt-mining-the-hidden-dark-side-of-renewables%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc60f8eb610a544f81aaf08da11b45674%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637841763494763240%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=gUd7XyONPsl93f0szB7%2BDGnd3RiMo1jyCgf5wYlDXZQ%3D&reserved=0>.



This, then, is an environmental story that has failed to make the usual species leap from academic researcher to NGO media campaigner to TV news producer. This is odd, given that the precautionary principle has been a staple of environmentalist campaigning for five decades now. For instance, shale-gas exploration cannot proceed, green activists argue, because fracking risks causing ?earthquakes?, even though these tend to be largely imperceptible<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bigissue.com%2Fnews%2Ffact-fiction-should-we-be-scared-of-fracking-earthquakes%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc60f8eb610a544f81aaf08da11b45674%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637841763494763240%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=JBhoXIwjNweVluVJ1EubMdXvAxyq%2FSB5KL1fI7%2BBAJY%3D&reserved=0>. Yet when it comes to EVs and lithium-ion batteries, the precautionary principle seems to have been laid to rest for a while.

The dangers of lithium-ion batteries are evident in the number of high-profile product recalls. Dell recalled four million batteries in 2006. HP recalled more than 100,000 laptops in 2019 because of battery-fire risks. After causing fires on flights, Samsung?s Note 7 smartphone was recalled ? twice ? and then sidelined completely.


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The costs and risks only increase with larger products. Fires originating in the battery in Chevrolet Bolt vehicles are estimated to have cost General Motors around $2 billion. Audi had to recall its E-Tron SUV for the same reason. Parked Teslas keep bursting into flames<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thedrive.com%2Fnews%2F28420%2Fparked-teslas-keep-catching-on-fire-randomly-and-theres-no-recall-in-sight&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc60f8eb610a544f81aaf08da11b45674%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637841763494763240%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=0NbT%2BUCfWXcH%2B4JJNf5lUjDtFj3l%2Bpe0pPaxRsX74hw%3D&reserved=0> ? and the company has been castigated for not recalling the vehicles.

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Even more curious is that the green priesthood has blessed lithium-powered EVs as an ?environmentally friendly? successor to vehicles powered by the internal combustion engine (ICE). The argument is that since EVs do not use an ICE, which is powered by an oil derivative (petrol or diesel), driving them results in lower CO2 emissions.

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Burton cited a study that Volvo released<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.volvocars.com%2Fimages%2Fv%2F-%2Fmedia%2Fapplications%2Fpdpspecificationpage%2Fxc40-electric%2Fspecification%2Fvolvo-carbon-footprint-report.pdf&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc60f8eb610a544f81aaf08da11b45674%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637841763494763240%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=4HzI2Zn31zgJZpz8ir4PkuP3%2B4w5LccN4dUdEZLrv90%3D&reserved=0> during the COP26 climate summit. This study, led by Andrea Egeskog of the Sustainability Center at Volvo, received remarkably little attention at the time. Volvo is unusual in being able to make direct comparisons between two versions of the same car model, the XC40 SUV. One is electric, the other has an ICE. Volvo calculated the CO2 emissions over the full lifecycle of the two products: from mining the minerals, like lithium and cobalt, to the end of their lives, including disposal.

Out of the factory gate, the electric car begins its life on the wrong side of the tracks ? having generated far more CO2 than the petrol-guzzling version. That?s because of lithium and the other rare-earth minerals required to manufacture the ?planet-saving? EV. The emissions from the materials and the production of the ICE version of Volvo?s XC40 are roughly 40 per cent lower than for the EV.



Of course, the ICE model continues to consume fossil fuels for as long as it?s in use. But for the electric version to ?break even?, so to speak, it has to do a lot of miles on the clock. Its eco-friendliness also depends enormously on how the electricity used to charge the batteries is generated. Volvo advises that, based on a typical global energy mix, if you drive under 93,000 miles you will cause greater emissions by choosing an electric vehicle over the petrol version. In the EU, which uses a higher proportion of renewables, the break-even point is still 52,000 miles. Hence Burton?s decision to return his EV. A high-performance Ferrari or Porsche car will never achieve such mileage. Nor will a normal car like mine. If I replace my 19-year-old car tomorrow, and take the ?green option? instead of the petrol option, I will be poorer, because the EV equivalent is so much more expensive, and it will only finally start to achieve CO2-emissions savings over the petrol rival some time in the late 2040s. But it won?t ever reach that point, as the battery will be depleted long before then.

Despite all this, the major car manufacturers have ploughed billions into the development of EVs. EVs have also been heavily subsidised by governments as a means to achieve their climate goals. ?What if those billions of dollars had been put into the internal combustion engine, how much better would they have got??, Burton muses.



Many of the EVs sold today are ?urban runabouts? ? that is, vehicles that will never reach the CO2 ?break even? point, and will therefore emit more CO2 than a petrol equivalent. Since the practical value of an EV today in reducing CO2 emissions is zero, its value is merely to signal moral superiority, showing others that you care and they don?t. It is a status good. It makes the owner feel better.

The curious moral of the story is that, even by their own standards, environmentalists aren?t terribly good at practising what they preach. If, as climate change campaigners insist, our cars are ?killing the planet?, then it?s the virtuous among us who are killing the planet faster. That such hypocrisy from the green elites has gone unchallenged for so long is remarkable. It surely can?t last.



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??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? With all do respect here, Stephen, the only thing the left will accept is complete and total acquiescence to THEIR side of the ledger. Where will that leave us?? 
 
 
 
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 I agree with most of what you write here. I am not entirely on board with the driving concept of good vs evil. That aside, the base hatred in this country pushing us to the brink collapse. ?I am far less concerned about what Trump might do than I am about the reactions to what Trump might do. You mention progressive tyranny and their hatred for everything we do? Yes, it was incremental. And we stood by and watched it happen. ?We are now stuck with the consequences. ?I believe we ALL need to learn to work and live together, rather than trying to force everyone else to our way of thinking. ?We can point our finger anywhere we chose to identify blame, but this entire country has already clearly demonstrated that such accomplishes nothing other than fueling yet more hatred. ?What we have been doing so far simply doesn?t work. ?When pushed, people dig in their heels. Push harder, dig in harder. ?We are quickly consumed by and driven by emotion. I am not suggesting concession, but electing a leader that will result in yet more of the same isn?t going to fix anything; it will only make it worse. He could have the best ideas and best plans ever devised, and it simply won?t matter. He is too hated to be able to reach the masses.
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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Trump insists Ukraine crisis would not have happened while he was president: ?I know Putin very well????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Stephen, I deeply respect your opinion. The reason there's hatred in this country inMY opinion, is that there's a major war going on between good and evil. I'm not saying that Trump doesn't have his coarser moments or anything of that nature. He does. But, he's not a part of the "New World Order club" and is out to break their grip on the world. He's got enough money that he can't be bought - you cannot say that about too many others. We've been living under progressive tyranny (brought on gradually) by those who hate us and everything we stand for. Can Trump stop them? I want him to try...............



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Yes you do. ?He is too controversial. ?He returns, he may accomplish some good things -no doubt, but he will also cause an unprecedented resurgence of division and hatred, and likely violence. ?His fault? ?No. But it will be real. ?I am sickened by the hatred in this country. ?I think the true, gut-level hatred in this country was started by Barrack Obama. ?Even so, it exploded during the trump years. ?Biden is still fueling it. ?If we see conservatives hated and quashed now, wait for another Trump term. ?I would much rather elect a President who will at least try to mend it.
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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Trump insists Ukraine crisis would not have happened while he was president: ?I know Putin very well????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Stephen, let me get this straight - you wouldn't want to see Trump return, do I have that right?
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Certainly hope that doesn?t happen.
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Claim all he wants. ?It?s unverifiable. ?And we could argue about this ad infinitum. ?Bottom line, we will never no for sure.


the only verification is what the True President Trump does when he returns.? 





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Your question here is a red herring to the original issue.  You see the issue, so do I.  You think Trump can fix it, I do not.  In fact, I believe his presence in the administration will make it worse.  With Trump in office, people will dig in their heels even deeper and more firmly.  That will solve nothing.

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                        With all do respect here, Stephen, the only thing the left will accept is complete and total acquiescence to THEIR side of the ledger. Where will that leave us?



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I agree with most of what you write here. I am not entirely on board with the driving concept of good vs evil. That aside, the base hatred in this country pushing us to the brink collapse.  I am far less concerned about what Trump might do than I am about the reactions to what Trump might do. You mention progressive tyranny and their hatred for everything we do? Yes, it was incremental. And we stood by and watched it happen.  We are now stuck with the consequences.  I believe we ALL need to learn to work and live together, rather than trying to force everyone else to our way of thinking.  We can point our finger anywhere we chose to identify blame, but this entire country has already clearly demonstrated that such accomplishes nothing other than fueling yet more hatred.  What we have been doing so far simply doesn?t work.  When pushed, people dig in their heels. Push harder, dig in harder.  We are quickly consumed by and driven by emotion. I am not suggesting concession, but electing a leader that will result in yet more of the same isn?t going to fix anything; it will only make it worse. He could have the best ideas and best plans ever devised, and it simply won?t matter. He is too hated to be able to reach the masses.

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                        Stephen, I deeply respect your opinion. The reason there's hatred in this country in MY opinion, is that there's a major war going on between good and evil. I'm not saying that Trump doesn't have his coarser moments or anything of that nature. He does. But, he's not a part of the "New World Order club" and is out to break their grip on the world. He's got enough money that he can't be bought - you cannot say that about too many others. We've been living under progressive tyranny (brought on gradually) by those who hate us and everything we stand for. Can Trump stop them? I want him to try...............



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Yes you do.  He is too controversial.  He returns, he may accomplish some good things -no doubt, but he will also cause an unprecedented resurgence of division and hatred, and likely violence.  His fault?  No. But it will be real.  I am sickened by the hatred in this country.  I think the true, gut-level hatred in this country was started by Barrack Obama.  Even so, it exploded during the trump years.  Biden is still fueling it.  If we see conservatives hated and quashed now, wait for another Trump term.  I would much rather elect a President who will at least try to mend it.

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                        Stephen, let me get this straight - you wouldn't want to see Trump return, do I have that right?

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Certainly hope that doesn?t happen.

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On Sun, 2022-03-27 at 16:16 +0000, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
Claim all he wants.  It?s unverifiable.  And we could argue about this ad infinitum.  Bottom line, we will never no for sure.


the only verification is what the True President Trump does when he returns.





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Subject: [Rushtalk] The truth about electric cars
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??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? I'll give you a for instance.........in December, I bought four new tires for my 2011 Ranger. Two days later (I hadn't even gone 25 miles), my tire pressure sensors told me that I didn't have enough tire pressure in these new tires and lit the idiot light on my dash. I went back to the dealer and all four tires were at 36 psi. The sensors had to be be re-set. I wasted two hours in the tire shop for complete nonsense. Good thing it's only a mile from my house. I might have been livid otherwise. Oh, and my truck only has a little over 52k on the odometer, anyway. 
 
 
 
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 Valid concern, but my last Lexus went 100% issue free for over 200,000 miles with nothing more than oil changes and most of the scheduled maintence, three brake jobs. I think five sets of tires, wipers. Etc., but zero repairs.
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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] The truth about electric cars???? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? I'll never drive one. I'm one of those people who think that there is already too much electronic gadgetry onboard gasoline vehicles already. Too much that can go wrong and be expensive to fix. I don't need a backup camera or some program that reads me text messages and e-mail to me while I'm driving. I don't need tire pressure sensors to know I've got a flat tire. Transportation should be simple and repairable by the driver with a modicum of tools............................


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The truth about electric cars 
They are far more environmentally damaging than normal cars. 



Andrew Orlowski 
3rd March 2022  Share TopicsPolitics Science & Tech A cargo ship called the Felicity Ace, carrying 4,000 luxury cars collectively worth around $438million, caught fire last month. Thankfully, the crew members were not harmed and managed to quickly abandon ship. The fire, however, burned for a week. This was because the lithium-ion batteries inside the electric vehicles (EVs) in the consignment kept the fire alive. The fire only died once the supply of combustible material on board was exhausted.



Something similar happened in July last year. In Victoria, Australia, a 13-tonne Tesla ?Megapack? facility ? which uses a vast array of lithium-ion batteries to store energy generated by intermittent renewables ? caught fire. This fire eventually burned itself out after three days. In that time, it created numerous ecological hazards, including toxic smoke, which engulfed local residents. But firefighters could do little more than monitor the environmental damage ? they had to wait for the fire to put itself out.

?The most significant danger of a lithium-ion battery is that [fires] are almost impossible to put out once they are ignited?, notes engineerRobin Mitchell. ?No matter how many safety systems are put in place?, he says, ?a fire started by a lithium-ion battery is far too challenging to manage?. Such technology, Mitchell concludes, ?may only be suitable for small-scale systems such as smartphones and EVs?. Even so, the fire risks posed by EV batteries are not insignificant.



Most of us carry a lithium-ion battery in our smartphone without thinking about it, and these are relatively safe. The danger of using larger lithium-ion batteries in larger configurations has been recognised by authorities since their commercial introduction in 1991. For instance, US airlines do not permit laptops with integrated batteries larger than 100 watt hours on board. The likelihood of the battery catching fire is relatively low. But in the event of a fire, to extinguish it, you can?t use water. The fire risks are even greater for an EV, which is a bit like a tightly packed sandwich of hundreds of laptop batteries.

So, what are our environmental campaigners doing to draw our attention to this great new hazard? You may have noticed a curious absence of Change.org petitions, hashtags or alarming reports from the likes of BBC News.



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This is even more surprising when you consider the ecological damage and exploitation that goes into producing the batteries. Lithium extraction is filthy and it uses huge amounts of groundwater. In Chile, mining activities in the Salar de Atacama region consume 65 per cent of the area?s water. Toxic chemicals from the mining process have been known to leak into water supplies. Researchers in Nevada found that fish as far as 150 miles downstream were being impacted by mining operations.

Lithium-ion batteries also need a lot of cobalt ? typically around 14kg per car battery. Extracting this is dirty and dangerous. In the Democratic Republic of Congo, the world?s largest supplier, children as young as seven wash and sort ores as ?artisanal miners?, according to an Amnesty report from 2016. 



This, then, is an environmental story that has failed to make the usual species leap from academic researcher to NGO media campaigner to TV news producer. This is odd, given that the precautionary principle has been a staple of environmentalist campaigning for five decades now. For instance, shale-gas exploration cannot proceed, green activists argue, because fracking risks causing ?earthquakes?, even though these tend to belargely imperceptible. Yet when it comes to EVs and lithium-ion batteries, the precautionary principle seems to have been laid to rest for a while.

The dangers of lithium-ion batteries are evident in the number of high-profile product recalls. Dell recalled four million batteries in 2006. HP recalled more than 100,000 laptops in 2019 because of battery-fire risks. After causing fires on flights, Samsung?s Note 7 smartphone was recalled ? twice ? and then sidelined completely. 



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The costs and risks only increase with larger products. Fires originating in the battery in Chevrolet Bolt vehicles are estimated to have cost General Motors around $2 billion. Audi had to recall its E-Tron SUV for the same reason. Parked Teslaskeep bursting into flames ? and the company has been castigated for not recalling the vehicles.

Instead of exposing this great environmental danger, the BBC can be found promoting the batteries. ?There?s no doubt that batteries are central to a low-carbon future?, a recent film in its ?Ideas? series explained. ?Lithium-ion batteries can store clean energy for when the sun isn?t shining and the wind isn?t blowing, sending it out on grey days with the strength and reliability that rivals fossil fuels.? Hurray!



Even more curious is that the green priesthood has blessed lithium-powered EVs as an ?environmentally friendly? successor to vehicles powered by the internal combustion engine (ICE). The argument is that since EVs do not use an ICE, which is powered by an oil derivative (petrol or diesel), driving them results in lower CO2 emissions.

Yet last week, Britain?s most popular car YouTuber, Tim Burton (more widely known as Shmee),announced that he was replacing his electric Porsche with a petrol-powered Ferrari V12 ? because it?s greener and cleaner. His reason may surprise many who believe that EVs are either ?low? or ?zero? CO2-emission vehicles.



Burton cited a study that Volvo released during the COP26 climate summit. This study, led by Andrea Egeskog of the Sustainability Center at Volvo, received remarkably little attention at the time. Volvo is unusual in being able to make direct comparisons between two versions of the same car model, the XC40 SUV. One is electric, the other has an ICE. Volvo calculated the CO2 emissions over the full lifecycle of the two products: from mining the minerals, like lithium and cobalt, to the end of their lives, including disposal.

Out of the factory gate, the electric car begins its life on the wrong side of the tracks ? having generated far more CO2 than the petrol-guzzling version. That?s because of lithium and the other rare-earth minerals required to manufacture the ?planet-saving? EV. The emissions from the materials and the production of the ICE version of Volvo?s XC40 are roughly 40 per cent lower than for the EV.



Of course, the ICE model continues to consume fossil fuels for as long as it?s in use. But for the electric version to ?break even?, so to speak, it has to do a lot of miles on the clock. Its eco-friendliness also depends enormously on how the electricity used to charge the batteries is generated. Volvo advises that, based on a typical global energy mix, if you drive under 93,000 miles you will cause greater emissions by choosing an electric vehicle over the petrol version. In the EU, which uses a higher proportion of renewables, the break-even point is still 52,000 miles. Hence Burton?s decision to return his EV. A high-performance Ferrari or Porsche car will never achieve such mileage. Nor will a normal car like mine. If I replace my 19-year-old car tomorrow, and take the ?green option? instead of the petrol option, I will be poorer, because the EV equivalent is so much more expensive, and it will only finally start to achieve CO2-emissions savings over the petrol rival some time in the late 2040s. But it won?t ever reach that point, as the battery will be depleted long before then. 

Despite all this, the major car manufacturers have ploughed billions into the development of EVs. EVs have also been heavily subsidised by governments as a means to achieve their climate goals. ?What if those billions of dollars had been put into the internal combustion engine, how much better would they have got??, Burton muses.



Many of the EVs sold today are ?urban runabouts? ? that is, vehicles that will never reach the CO2 ?break even? point, and will therefore emit more CO2 than a petrol equivalent. Since the practical value of an EV today in reducing CO2 emissions is zero, its value is merely to signal moral superiority, showing others that you care and they don?t. It is a status good. It makes the owner feel better.

The curious moral of the story is that, even by their own standards, environmentalists aren?t terribly good at practising what they preach. If, as climate change campaigners insist, our cars are ?killing the planet?, then it?s the virtuous among us who are killing the planet faster. That such hypocrisy from the green elites has gone unchallenged for so long is remarkable. It surely can?t last.



Andrew Orlowski is founder of the research network Think of X and a columnist at the Telegraph.





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??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Let me spell it out for you........they hate Ted Cruz.......they despise Ron DeSantis.......they won't stomach Jim Jordan - Hell, they attacked Mitt Romney in 2012 and he's a RINO, for petesakes. I do happen to know that a lot of people changed their registration because of Trump to vote either independent or Republican and that exodus from the local county Democrat party has accelerated since Biden's taken over. I don't see anyone they (the hard left) are willing to accept, do you? 
 
 
 
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Your question here is a red herring to the original issue. ?You see the issue, so do I. ?You think Trump can fix it, I do not. ?In fact, I believe his presence in the administration will make it worse. ?With Trump in office, people will dig in their heels even deeper and more firmly. ?That will solve nothing.
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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Trump insists Ukraine crisis would not have happened while he was president: ?I know Putin very well????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? With all do respect here, Stephen, the only thing the left will accept is complete and total acquiescence toTHEIR side of the ledger. Where will that leave us??



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I agree with most of what you write here. I am not entirely on board with the driving concept of good vs evil. That aside, the base hatred in this country pushing us to the brink collapse. ?I am far less concerned about what Trump might do than I am about the reactions to what Trump might do. You mention progressive tyranny and their hatred for everything we do? Yes, it was incremental. And we stood by and watched it happen. ?We are now stuck with the consequences. ?I believe we ALL need to learn to work and live together, rather than trying to force everyone else to our way of thinking. ?We can point our finger anywhere we chose to identify blame, but this entire country has already clearly demonstrated that such accomplishes nothing other than fueling yet more hatred. ?What we have been doing so far simply doesn?t work. ?When pushed, people dig in their heels. Push harder, dig in harder. ?We are quickly consumed by and driven by emotion. I am not suggesting concession, but electing a leader that will result in yet more of the same isn?t going to fix anything; it will only make it worse. He could have the best ideas and best plans ever devised, and it simply won?t matter. He is too hated to be able to reach the masses.
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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Trump insists Ukraine crisis would not have happened while he was president: ?I know Putin very well????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Stephen, I deeply respect your opinion. The reason there's hatred in this country inMY opinion, is that there's a major war going on between good and evil. I'm not saying that Trump doesn't have his coarser moments or anything of that nature. He does. But, he's not a part of the "New World Order club" and is out to break their grip on the world. He's got enough money that he can't be bought - you cannot say that about too many others. We've been living under progressive tyranny (brought on gradually) by those who hate us and everything we stand for. Can Trump stop them? I want him to try...............



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Yes you do. ?He is too controversial. ?He returns, he may accomplish some good things -no doubt, but he will also cause an unprecedented resurgence of division and hatred, and likely violence. ?His fault? ?No. But it will be real. ?I am sickened by the hatred in this country. ?I think the true, gut-level hatred in this country was started by Barrack Obama. ?Even so, it exploded during the trump years. ?Biden is still fueling it. ?If we see conservatives hated and quashed now, wait for another Trump term. ?I would much rather elect a President who will at least try to mend it.
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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Trump insists Ukraine crisis would not have happened while he was president: ?I know Putin very well????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Stephen, let me get this straight - you wouldn't want to see Trump return, do I have that right?
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Certainly hope that doesn?t happen.
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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Trump insists Ukraine crisis would not have happened while he was president: ?I know Putin very well??On Sun, 2022-03-27 at 16:16 +0000, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
Claim all he wants. ?It?s unverifiable. ?And we could argue about this ad infinitum. ?Bottom line, we will never no for sure.


the only verification is what the True President Trump does when he returns.? 





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Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2022 23:25:00 +0000
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None good.  Just some worse than others.  Besides, even if he gets the job, he?s out four years down the road, leaving the door wide open.  If he?s the nominated candidate I will vote for him, but I believe it would be a disaster.  Also there is enough lingering hatred for him that he is definitely not a shoe-in.  Simply put, there is nothing happening in the world right now that makes me look to him for leadership.  Maybe the next two years can alter that, but I am skeptical.

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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Trump insists Ukraine crisis would not have happened while he was president: ?I know Putin very well?

                        Let me spell it out for you........they hate Ted Cruz.......they despise Ron DeSantis.......they won't stomach Jim Jordan - Hell, they attacked Mitt Romney in 2012 and he's a RINO, for petesakes. I do happen to know that a lot of people changed their registration because of Trump to vote either independent or Republican and that exodus from the local county Democrat party has accelerated since Biden's taken over. I don't see anyone they (the hard left) are willing to accept, do you?



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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Trump insists Ukraine crisis would not have happened while he was president: ?I know Putin very well?

Your question here is a red herring to the original issue.  You see the issue, so do I.  You think Trump can fix it, I do not.  In fact, I believe his presence in the administration will make it worse.  With Trump in office, people will dig in their heels even deeper and more firmly.  That will solve nothing.

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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Trump insists Ukraine crisis would not have happened while he was president: ?I know Putin very well?

                        With all do respect here, Stephen, the only thing the left will accept is complete and total acquiescence to THEIR side of the ledger. Where will that leave us?



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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Trump insists Ukraine crisis would not have happened while he was president: ?I know Putin very well?

I agree with most of what you write here. I am not entirely on board with the driving concept of good vs evil. That aside, the base hatred in this country pushing us to the brink collapse.  I am far less concerned about what Trump might do than I am about the reactions to what Trump might do. You mention progressive tyranny and their hatred for everything we do? Yes, it was incremental. And we stood by and watched it happen.  We are now stuck with the consequences.  I believe we ALL need to learn to work and live together, rather than trying to force everyone else to our way of thinking.  We can point our finger anywhere we chose to identify blame, but this entire country has already clearly demonstrated that such accomplishes nothing other than fueling yet more hatred.  What we have been doing so far simply doesn?t work.  When pushed, people dig in their heels. Push harder, dig in harder.  We are quickly consumed by and driven by emotion. I am not suggesting concession, but electing a leader that will result in yet more of the same isn?t going to fix anything; it will only make it worse. He could have the best ideas and best plans ever devised, and it simply won?t matter. He is too hated to be able to reach the masses.

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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Trump insists Ukraine crisis would not have happened while he was president: ?I know Putin very well?

                        Stephen, I deeply respect your opinion. The reason there's hatred in this country in MY opinion, is that there's a major war going on between good and evil. I'm not saying that Trump doesn't have his coarser moments or anything of that nature. He does. But, he's not a part of the "New World Order club" and is out to break their grip on the world. He's got enough money that he can't be bought - you cannot say that about too many others. We've been living under progressive tyranny (brought on gradually) by those who hate us and everything we stand for. Can Trump stop them? I want him to try...............



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Yes you do.  He is too controversial.  He returns, he may accomplish some good things -no doubt, but he will also cause an unprecedented resurgence of division and hatred, and likely violence.  His fault?  No. But it will be real.  I am sickened by the hatred in this country.  I think the true, gut-level hatred in this country was started by Barrack Obama.  Even so, it exploded during the trump years.  Biden is still fueling it.  If we see conservatives hated and quashed now, wait for another Trump term.  I would much rather elect a President who will at least try to mend it.

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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Trump insists Ukraine crisis would not have happened while he was president: ?I know Putin very well?

                        Stephen, let me get this straight - you wouldn't want to see Trump return, do I have that right?

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Certainly hope that doesn?t happen.

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On Sun, 2022-03-27 at 16:16 +0000, Stephen Frye via Rushtalk wrote:
Claim all he wants.  It?s unverifiable.  And we could argue about this ad infinitum.  Bottom line, we will never no for sure.


the only verification is what the True President Trump does when he returns.





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From stephen.frye at outlook.com  Wed Mar 30 17:29:23 2022
From: stephen.frye at outlook.com (Stephen Frye)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2022 23:29:23 +0000
Subject: [Rushtalk] The truth about electric cars
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That was the fault of the tire store, not the sensors.
Wife and I had the light come on at 75 mph in time to warn me before it blew out completely.  This is a stupid discussion.  Moot.  Nothing is going back to the way it was.

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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] The truth about electric cars

                        I'll give you a for instance.........in December, I bought four new tires for my 2011 Ranger. Two days later (I hadn't even gone 25 miles), my tire pressure sensors told me that I didn't have enough tire pressure in these new tires and lit the idiot light on my dash. I went back to the dealer and all four tires were at 36 psi. The sensors had to be be re-set. I wasted two hours in the tire shop for complete nonsense. Good thing it's only a mile from my house. I might have been livid otherwise. Oh, and my truck only has a little over 52k on the odometer, anyway.



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Valid concern, but my last Lexus went 100% issue free for over 200,000 miles with nothing more than oil changes and most of the scheduled maintence, three brake jobs. I think five sets of tires, wipers. Etc., but zero repairs.

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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] The truth about electric cars

                        I'll never drive one. I'm one of those people who think that there is already too much electronic gadgetry onboard gasoline vehicles already. Too much that can go wrong and be expensive to fix. I don't need a backup camera or some program that reads me text messages and e-mail to me while I'm driving. I don't need tire pressure sensors to know I've got a flat tire. Transportation should be simple and repairable by the driver with a modicum of tools............................


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The truth about electric cars
They are far more environmentally damaging than normal cars.


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Something similar happened in July last year. In Victoria, Australia, a 13-tonne Tesla ?Megapack? facility ? which uses a vast array of lithium-ion batteries to store energy generated by intermittent renewables ? caught fire. This fire eventually burned itself out after three days. In that time, it created numerous ecological hazards, including toxic smoke, which engulfed local residents. But firefighters could do little more than monitor the environmental damage ? they had to wait for the fire to put itself out.

?The most significant danger of a lithium-ion battery is that [fires] are almost impossible to put out once they are ignited?, notes engineer Robin Mitchell<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.electropages.com%2Fblog%2F2021%2F08%2Fevidence-against-lithium-ion-storage&data=04%7C01%7C%7C43ad434b2d5b4ccf0cea08da1288efa4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637842676621361930%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=%2F5keWqAwa%2BRjQ8u%2Fybu8%2Bdq%2BlZz0hTg7Ktlc9eAfrx0%3D&reserved=0>. ?No matter how many safety systems are put in place?, he says, ?a fire started by a lithium-ion battery is far too challenging to manage?. Such technology, Mitchell concludes, ?may only be suitable for small-scale systems such as smartphones and EVs?. Even so, the fire risks posed by EV batteries are not insignificant.



Most of us carry a lithium-ion battery in our smartphone without thinking about it, and these are relatively safe. The danger of using larger lithium-ion batteries in larger configurations has been recognised by authorities since their commercial introduction in 1991. For instance, US airlines do not permit laptops with integrated batteries larger than 100 watt hours on board. The likelihood of the battery catching fire is relatively low. But in the event of a fire, to extinguish it, you can?t use water. The fire risks are even greater for an EV, which is a bit like a tightly packed sandwich of hundreds of laptop batteries.

So, what are our environmental campaigners doing to draw our attention to this great new hazard? You may have noticed a curious absence of Change.org petitions, hashtags or alarming reports from the likes of BBC News.


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This is even more surprising when you consider the ecological damage and exploitation that goes into producing the batteries. Lithium extraction is filthy and it uses huge amounts of groundwater. In Chile, mining activities in the Salar de Atacama region consume 65 per cent of the area?s water. Toxic chemicals from the mining process have been known to leak into water supplies. Researchers in Nevada found that fish as far as 150 miles downstream were being impacted by mining operations.

Lithium-ion batteries also need a lot of cobalt ? typically around 14kg per car battery. Extracting this is dirty and dangerous. In the Democratic Republic of Congo, the world?s largest supplier, children as young as seven wash and sort ores as ?artisanal miners?, according to an Amnesty report from 2016<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwp.lancs.ac.uk%2Flec101blog%2F2022%2F01%2F19%2Fcobalt-mining-the-hidden-dark-side-of-renewables%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C43ad434b2d5b4ccf0cea08da1288efa4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637842676621361930%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=OSG8RQczSiNGrhdenIAa%2BT1lF4blRYQK%2BhgZwutUggk%3D&reserved=0>.



This, then, is an environmental story that has failed to make the usual species leap from academic researcher to NGO media campaigner to TV news producer. This is odd, given that the precautionary principle has been a staple of environmentalist campaigning for five decades now. For instance, shale-gas exploration cannot proceed, green activists argue, because fracking risks causing ?earthquakes?, even though these tend to be largely imperceptible<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bigissue.com%2Fnews%2Ffact-fiction-should-we-be-scared-of-fracking-earthquakes%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C43ad434b2d5b4ccf0cea08da1288efa4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637842676621361930%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=bm8AQw5N%2FHp%2Fc9jJuBVDDKpaw7s5C9hbs08t0Ry7dTo%3D&reserved=0>. Yet when it comes to EVs and lithium-ion batteries, the precautionary principle seems to have been laid to rest for a while.

The dangers of lithium-ion batteries are evident in the number of high-profile product recalls. Dell recalled four million batteries in 2006. HP recalled more than 100,000 laptops in 2019 because of battery-fire risks. After causing fires on flights, Samsung?s Note 7 smartphone was recalled ? twice ? and then sidelined completely.


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The costs and risks only increase with larger products. Fires originating in the battery in Chevrolet Bolt vehicles are estimated to have cost General Motors around $2 billion. Audi had to recall its E-Tron SUV for the same reason. Parked Teslas keep bursting into flames<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thedrive.com%2Fnews%2F28420%2Fparked-teslas-keep-catching-on-fire-randomly-and-theres-no-recall-in-sight&data=04%7C01%7C%7C43ad434b2d5b4ccf0cea08da1288efa4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637842676621361930%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=n20XiyJUESzRnV7qT%2Bozqa13AHr3RoZK56M30XeDshE%3D&reserved=0> ? and the company has been castigated for not recalling the vehicles.

Instead of exposing this great environmental danger, the BBC can be found promoting the batteries<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fideas%2Fvideos%2Fhow-the-humble-battery-can-help-save-the-world%2Fp0b26hq1&data=04%7C01%7C%7C43ad434b2d5b4ccf0cea08da1288efa4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637842676621361930%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=baBMIz8YGzCMlxA1Jvf8VNdnZm1hn9qrAjhMzwgO6dY%3D&reserved=0>. ?There?s no doubt that batteries are central to a low-carbon future?, a recent film in its ?Ideas? series explained. ?Lithium-ion batteries can store clean energy for when the sun isn?t shining and the wind isn?t blowing, sending it out on grey days with the strength and reliability that rivals fossil fuels.? Hurray!



Even more curious is that the green priesthood has blessed lithium-powered EVs as an ?environmentally friendly? successor to vehicles powered by the internal combustion engine (ICE). The argument is that since EVs do not use an ICE, which is powered by an oil derivative (petrol or diesel), driving them results in lower CO2 emissions.

Yet last week, Britain?s most popular car YouTuber, Tim Burton (more widely known as Shmee), announced<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DuBisO3qGSh8&data=04%7C01%7C%7C43ad434b2d5b4ccf0cea08da1288efa4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637842676621361930%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=bjrwljV%2FbkRZYlKF8CGUZ82uvnNN7Bxq6YokBsrZkM4%3D&reserved=0> that he was replacing his electric Porsche with a petrol-powered Ferrari V12 ? because it?s greener and cleaner. His reason may surprise many who believe that EVs are either ?low? or ?zero? CO2-emission vehicles.



Burton cited a study that Volvo released<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.volvocars.com%2Fimages%2Fv%2F-%2Fmedia%2Fapplications%2Fpdpspecificationpage%2Fxc40-electric%2Fspecification%2Fvolvo-carbon-footprint-report.pdf&data=04%7C01%7C%7C43ad434b2d5b4ccf0cea08da1288efa4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637842676621361930%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=S0HQT%2FPjPIKnDT4CPkuyHiKtBeXdRKVSofGKaNSldsk%3D&reserved=0> during the COP26 climate summit. This study, led by Andrea Egeskog of the Sustainability Center at Volvo, received remarkably little attention at the time. Volvo is unusual in being able to make direct comparisons between two versions of the same car model, the XC40 SUV. One is electric, the other has an ICE. Volvo calculated the CO2 emissions over the full lifecycle of the two products: from mining the minerals, like lithium and cobalt, to the end of their lives, including disposal.

Out of the factory gate, the electric car begins its life on the wrong side of the tracks ? having generated far more CO2 than the petrol-guzzling version. That?s because of lithium and the other rare-earth minerals required to manufacture the ?planet-saving? EV. The emissions from the materials and the production of the ICE version of Volvo?s XC40 are roughly 40 per cent lower than for the EV.



Of course, the ICE model continues to consume fossil fuels for as long as it?s in use. But for the electric version to ?break even?, so to speak, it has to do a lot of miles on the clock. Its eco-friendliness also depends enormously on how the electricity used to charge the batteries is generated. Volvo advises that, based on a typical global energy mix, if you drive under 93,000 miles you will cause greater emissions by choosing an electric vehicle over the petrol version. In the EU, which uses a higher proportion of renewables, the break-even point is still 52,000 miles. Hence Burton?s decision to return his EV. A high-performance Ferrari or Porsche car will never achieve such mileage. Nor will a normal car like mine. If I replace my 19-year-old car tomorrow, and take the ?green option? instead of the petrol option, I will be poorer, because the EV equivalent is so much more expensive, and it will only finally start to achieve CO2-emissions savings over the petrol rival some time in the late 2040s. But it won?t ever reach that point, as the battery will be depleted long before then.

Despite all this, the major car manufacturers have ploughed billions into the development of EVs. EVs have also been heavily subsidised by governments as a means to achieve their climate goals. ?What if those billions of dollars had been put into the internal combustion engine, how much better would they have got??, Burton muses.



Many of the EVs sold today are ?urban runabouts? ? that is, vehicles that will never reach the CO2 ?break even? point, and will therefore emit more CO2 than a petrol equivalent. Since the practical value of an EV today in reducing CO2 emissions is zero, its value is merely to signal moral superiority, showing others that you care and they don?t. It is a status good. It makes the owner feel better.

The curious moral of the story is that, even by their own standards, environmentalists aren?t terribly good at practising what they preach. If, as climate change campaigners insist, our cars are ?killing the planet?, then it?s the virtuous among us who are killing the planet faster. That such hypocrisy from the green elites has gone unchallenged for so long is remarkable. It surely can?t last.



Andrew Orlowski is founder of the research network Think of X<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fthinkofx.net%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C43ad434b2d5b4ccf0cea08da1288efa4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637842676621361930%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=VgbSM2%2FKgtdFg4p4Xlzk6v%2BYkDftNqsJ1NlwAgoA3VY%3D&reserved=0> and a columnist at the Telegraph<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fauthors%2Fa%2Fak-ao%2Fandrew-orlowski%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C43ad434b2d5b4ccf0cea08da1288efa4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637842676621361930%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=VJVvphjNX4b1W1MwdnvXdUBdIo2eQU4T0XFwfI9niG0%3D&reserved=0>.



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Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2022 17:40:42 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] Reset in Ukraine with Karel van Wolferen
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Reset in Ukraine with Karel van Wolferen (1:56:58)
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From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2022 08:16:38 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] Biden calls for new world order SEIG HEIL
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndC1XL4731M


more treason from the fraud





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From cwsiv at juno.com  Thu Mar 31 09:19:07 2022
From: cwsiv at juno.com (Carl Spitzer {C Juno})
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2022 08:19:07 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] =?utf-8?q?Trump=E2=80=99s_Virtues?=
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Trump as Batman
         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAgRms7xixQ
        

Trump also does a pretty good 007 in Goldenhair.

        
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Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2022 08:22:38 -0700
Subject: [Rushtalk] Jan. 6th Committee Is A Complete Sham!
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We new this from the start.  A real insurrection would have resulted in
the traitors being shot for their many acts of treason.



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Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2022 10:39:11 -0700
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Let?s Go to the Movies: Week of March 21, 2022: Lord of War
March 19, 2022
 
https://home.solari.com/lets-go-to-the-movies-week-of-march-21-2022-lord-of-war/
 

https://youtu.be/Ej83QvHuiNI

 

 

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